Why Was A New Covenent Required?

[Jack Knave]

I think Job is also forward-looking.

Very much so. But I'm sure you know that Jung didn't think those ancient scribes came up with any satisfactory answers to the problems it poses

We still don't have answers.   

I can suggest two:
"There is no God" and "Shit happens".

Jung would have seen it in archetypal psychological terms so the issue of God was not present as such but only as a symbol and image of the collective unconscious, and that the 'action' was between consciousness and the collective unconscious and so was not subject to the whim of random causal events. What caused Job was the advancement of consciousness and its push back against the rule of the unconscious/instincts in man's life. I.e. a more of a cooperation between the two in the machinations of man's psyche and life.

Where was that googled from?

since are accusing the writer of plagiarism, any proof of that? It's quite a serious accusation, so care to justify it?

I don't suppose for one moment the ill-read Bashers has ever picked up a volume of Jung in his life.

Prove that I am ill-read!  If you cannot pass that test, apologise.  Can you pass the test?

Incidentally, since when does reading Jung qualify you as being well-read?

Prove your accusation about plagiarism against Jack Knave otherwise apologise!

He hasn't even denied it. 

Because I wasn't going to stoop to your low level. It was a stupid and ignorant comment.

Go on, stoop to my level!

No thanks. Again you have acknowledged your level in life!!! 

I like to leave the pigs in the pig sty where they belong and occupy the higher ground, that is commensurate with my evolutionary standing, for myself and others like me.

[cyberman]

Massively long strings of quotes embedded in quotes on this thread. As has been pointed out a few times recently, this is very hard for visually impaired members of the forum. In this case it is a mercy if they cannot read all the shit you are both posting, but it would be nice if they could decide that for themselves.

[Shaker]

One of those things that bloody annoys me 

[BashfulAnthony]

I think Job is also forward-looking.

Very much so. But I'm sure you know that Jung didn't think those ancient scribes came up with any satisfactory answers to the problems it poses

We still don't have answers.   

I can suggest two:
"There is no God" and "Shit happens".

Jung would have seen it in archetypal psychological terms so the issue of God was not present as such but only as a symbol and image of the collective unconscious, and that the 'action' was between consciousness and the collective unconscious and so was not subject to the whim of random causal events. What caused Job was the advancement of consciousness and its push back against the rule of the unconscious/instincts in man's life. I.e. a more of a cooperation between the two in the machinations of man's psyche and life.

Where was that googled from?

since are accusing the writer of plagiarism, any proof of that? It's quite a serious accusation, so care to justify it?

I don't suppose for one moment the ill-read Bashers has ever picked up a volume of Jung in his life.

Prove that I am ill-read!  If you cannot pass that test, apologise.  Can you pass the test?

Incidentally, since when does reading Jung qualify you as being well-read?

Prove your accusation about plagiarism against Jack Knave otherwise apologise!

He hasn't even denied it. 

Because I wasn't going to stoop to your low level. It was a stupid and ignorant comment.

Go on, stoop to my level!

No thanks. Again you have acknowledged your level in life!!! 

I like to leave the pigs in the pig sty where they belong and occupy the higher ground, that is commensurate with my evolutionary standing, for myself and others like me.

Your "evolutionary standing?"           It it's survival of the fittest, and you are what is left, what the heck must the unfit have been like?   

[Nearly Sane]

Massively long strings of quotes embedded in quotes on this thread. As has been pointed out a few times recently, this is very hard for visually impaired members of the forum. In this case it is a mercy if they cannot read all the shit you are both posting, but it would be nice if they could decide that for themselves.

Indeed but posting on any form of hand held and it can take some time to delete.

[cyberman]

Quite true, NS, but this thread is getting ridiculous.

[Nearly Sane]

Agree, cyberman, but earlier to delete a chain took me 2 minutes. But there we are

[cyberman]

But you could just click "reply" instead of clicking "quote".

(Look how good we're all being now! haha)

I'm not saying "Thou shalt not quote"; I was just struck by the very very long strings here.

[Jack Knave]

Your "evolutionary standing?"           It it's survival of the fittest, and you are what is left, what the heck must the unfit have been like?   

You don't know me so you can't possibly have any idea what you are talking about.

[BashfulAnthony]

Your "evolutionary standing?"           It it's survival of the fittest, and you are what is left, what the heck must the unfit have been like?   

You don't know me so you can't possibly have any idea what you are talking about.

And of course, I can say the same about myself.

[Jack Knave]

Your "evolutionary standing?"           It it's survival of the fittest, and you are what is left, what the heck must the unfit have been like?   

You don't know me so you can't possibly have any idea what you are talking about.

And of course, I can say the same about myself.

So why don't we all just keep to the debate issues and leave the unfounded personal garbage to one side?

[BashfulAnthony]

Your "evolutionary standing?"           It it's survival of the fittest, and you are what is left, what the heck must the unfit have been like?   

You don't know me so you can't possibly have any idea what you are talking about.

And of course, I can say the same about myself.

So why don't we all just keep to the debate issues and leave the unfounded personal garbage to one side?

Agreed.

[Alien]

But you could just click "reply" instead of clicking "quote".

(Look how good we're all being now! haha)

I'm not saying "Thou shalt not quote"; I was just struck by the very very long strings here.

The problem with this, at least when interspersed with other people's posts, is that you lose the link to where the person is quoting from. Best to use Reply and delete the unwanted quotes bits before posting IMO.

As you say though, this thread is getting a bit daft.

[jeremyp]

Best to use Reply and delete the unwanted quotes bits before posting IMO.

It's actually quite hard to do that with a touch device.  The International Skeptics Forum software automatically deletes any quote more than one level deep.  I wonder if we could get that functionality.

[Sassy]

Ahhh but you cannot prove that!  Nothing in my post is delusional because God has said about himself that he is NOT a liar. So maybe you see from this post by the things you say we can see you attack that which you have no answer for and do not understand.

Thank you for proving my point, Sass! The delusion that "God" really exists has addled you mind completely.

Now confirm the fact by telling us that sometimes he talks to you. 

It is sad that a man of your status and years has nothing but the above to offer...

You know that one day it will all be laid open to the eyes of all.
Until then you have nothing but what you see to hold onto...

[Sassy]

There's a flood thread on the faith sharing board, folks.
Any chance of continuing deluge debate there?

What. You want a deluge of people flooding onto the flood thread....

[Sassy]

Hope is actually correct.
What we DO know of second century Christianity suggests that, although they shared a core doctrine, practice, procedure, language and leadership structure varied widley within congregations or groups of churches.
Only when Constantine transferred the structure of an Imperial-style beaurocracy, with all its' opportunities for vice, corruption and self-promotion, on the Church, did those separate structures end (sometimes at the point of an Imperial sword)

You know nothing of the early Church. All you need to do is read the Ante-Nicene Fathers to see how Orthodox they are, especially concerning the role of the Church and that we are to keep that which has been handed down to us.

Spirit and Truth by Christ being the only way was handed down...not manmade rules and regulations to cause people to follow an earthly power... not the nicest of truths but there you are... People do the funniest of things...