Holocaust denial

[floo]

Probably the last trial has taken place of an Auschwitz Nazi death camp officer. Oskar Groening (94) was sent down for four years.

I fail to see how anyone could possibly deny the undeniable, and say the Holocaust didn't happen, even Groening didn't deny it. I am on another forum where an oh so holy 'Christian', who is always banging on about the 'love' of the deity, is also a Holocaust denier. 

What is the rationale prompting anyone to deny one of the darkest periods in the history of our planet took place when the evidence is there for all to see?

[Hope]

What is the rationale prompting anyone to deny one of the darkest periods in the history of our planet took place when the evidence is there for all to see?

Could it have anything to do with the fact that it was one of the darkest periods of human history and people can't accept that humanity could fall that low?

[Anchorman]

Probably the last trial has taken place of an Auschwitz Nazi death camp officer. Oskar Groening (94) was sent down for four years.

I fail to see how anyone could possibly deny the undeniable, and say the Holocaust didn't happen, even Groening didn't deny it. I am on another forum where an oh so holy 'Christian', who is always banging on about the 'love' of the deity, is also a Holocaust denier. 

What is the rationale prompting anyone to deny one of the darkest periods in the history of our planet took place when the evidence is there for all to see?

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Like you, floo, I abhor deniers of genocide....but these are not confined to the obscenities of the Nazis.
The genocides perpetrated by the Turks on the Armenians, the Serbs on the Bosnians - and the British on the Indian subcontinent are equally denied by groups of people in each instance.

For example:
http://www.monbiot.com/2005/12/27/how-britain-denies-its-holocausts/

[floo]

What is the rationale prompting anyone to deny one of the darkest periods in the history of our planet took place when the evidence is there for all to see?

Could it have anything to do with the fact that it was one of the darkest periods of human history and people can't accept that humanity could fall that low?

That could apply to some I suppose, but most deniers seem to think it wicked slur on Hitler and his evil regime!

[Aruntraveller]

I think it is most likely a response from people who already harbour a prejudice towards Jewish people. I can think of no other reasons.

At the heart of it, it seems to me that there is some idealogical, religious or political basis to the bigotry displayed by people who are holocaust deniers.

[JP]

I think it is most likely a response from people who already harbour a prejudice towards Jewish people. I can think of no other reasons.

At the heart of it, it seems to me that there is some idealogical, religious or political basis to the bigotry displayed by people who are holocaust deniers.

And an unknown number of those who are opposed to the state of Israel.

[Shaker]

Very few people are Holocaust deniers in the sense of denying that the systematic murder of Jews and others took place; there's too much evidence to demonstrate that it did, so to deny the Holocaust outright is to put you in the same grouping as evolution-deniers - people living outside of the borders of factual reality.

What people such as David Irving (said to be, I've heard, all else aside, a superb historian) do is quibble over the exact numbers and exact points of detail, saying for example that it wasn't 6,000,000 Jews, it was (for example) 5.3 million - as though we're all supposed to go, oh, well, not as bad as we thought, then ...

[OH MY WORLD!]

That's exactly the line my Arab friend takes. He denies the number that died. But he can be a kook. One day he will tell me the Arabs and Jews must get along and the next he will tell me if he had a machine gun, he would kill as many Jews as he could. Now there is deep resentment. Every time Israel goes into the Lebanon to drive back the terrorists, his family has to load up the horse carts and head north.

I befriended him 20yrs ago. I was a nightshift supervisor in a manufacturing plant and he turned out to be the most dependable and trustworthy employee. I wouldn't trust him with a machine gun though.(smilies)

[floo]

It must be remembered it wasn't only Jews who were exterminated in those evil gas chambers, gays and people with disabilities were also killed. 

It is very sad that the State of Israel is doing itself no favours at all by its unpleasant treatment of Palestinians, which almost seems to be in retaliation for the evils which were done to them during Hitler's reign of terror. As I have said before, and will no doubt say many times again, that country should never have been permitted to exist without a similar state for the Palestinians too. But it does exist and can't unexist, but it is no wonder the Palestinians feel unhappy with the status quo. However, there is no excuse for rockets being targeted at Israel, anymore than there is any excuse for Israel to behave as it does. At least under the Obama presidency it has to some extent marked Israel's card for it!

[OH MY WORLD!]

That's not so. Obama, is widely graded as a complete failure in the middle east. From both the Arabs and the Jews. The money promised to terrorist controlled Gaza is not flowing in from the Arab nations? Why, because they hate the terrorist Hamas. Now because of the assurance, thanks to that failure named Obama, that Iran will be legally allowed to get as many nukes as it wants in about ten years, Floo, you are going to see the Arab nations and that nation you wish was never created, drawing closer together. Jordan, Egypt, Arabia, and gulf states are already working closer with Israel than ever before, and for good reason.

[Anchorman]

TThere have been too many genocides inthe last hundred or so years.
We - quite rightly - remember the extermination of six million Jews...but probably slightly more Slavs, religious dissidents,disabled people and gypsies were also victims of the Nazis - that's over twelve million.
That pales into horrific comparison with Stalin's pogrom and purges of his own people, though. We don't have numbers, but estimates of 20-25 million would not be wid of the mark.
Then the 'lesser' genocides (sorry about the understatement - one life is one too many) in Armenia, South Africa, Rwanda. Bosnia....and on, and on, and on.
We rightly remember the industrial brutality of the Nazis - and let it never be forgotten or belittled in any way...but we need to remember that there has been more than one holocaust.

[floo]

That's not so. Obama, is widely graded as a complete failure in the middle east. From both the Arabs and the Jews. The money promised to terrorist controlled Gaza is not flowing in from the Arab nations? Why, because they hate the terrorist Hamas. Now because of the assurance, thanks to that failure named Obama, that Iran will be legally allowed to get as many nukes as it wants in about ten years, Floo, you are going to see the Arab nations and that nation you wish was never created, drawing closer together. Jordan, Egypt, Arabia, and gulf states are already working closer with Israel than ever before, and for good reason.

ALL the nations of the Middle East need to form a coalition to fight ISIS instead of fighting among themselves.

[Anchorman]

That's not so. Obama, is widely graded as a complete failure in the middle east. From both the Arabs and the Jews. The money promised to terrorist controlled Gaza is not flowing in from the Arab nations? Why, because they hate the terrorist Hamas. Now because of the assurance, thanks to that failure named Obama, that Iran will be legally allowed to get as many nukes as it wants in about ten years, Floo, you are going to see the Arab nations and that nation you wish was never created, drawing closer together. Jordan, Egypt, Arabia, and gulf states are already working closer with Israel than ever before, and for good reason.

ALL the nations of the Middle East need to form a coalition to fight ISIS instead of fighting among themselves.

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The problem there is that most of the Middle Eastern nations were artificial constructs - lines on the map drawn by colonial administrators, separating tribes, families and ethnic groups arbitrarily, floo. Most peoples within those nations don't see themselves as belonging to a nation, but a family, tribe, religious sect, ethnic group, etc first,and national flag second.

[L.A.]

Probably the last trial has taken place of an Auschwitz Nazi death camp officer. Oskar Groening (94) was sent down for four years.

I'm note sure how useful it was to prosecute a minor clerical official 70 years too late!

Maybe it makes someone feel a bit less guilty.

[OH MY WORLD!]

True floo. But I was actually writing about the Persians having N bombs. The Arabs hate the agreement Obama and the Europeans have signed on to. That agreement means nothing legally can be done to stop Iran from getting as many as they want in about 10yrs time. We are now going to see an arms race like never before. My hunch is that it will quickly come to a point where Israel will go in and bomb all of Iran's N facilities and they will have the backing of countries like Arabia, Jordan, and the gulf states.

But back on the topic of your thread. Iran is also a big denier of the numbers killed by the Nazi's.