Author Topic: Spotted by chance today, I thought it interesting.  (Read 9822 times)

Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Spotted by chance today, I thought it interesting.
« Reply #50 on: August 28, 2015, 11:39:21 PM »


A synonym of redundancy is pleonasm. That's why I used that word, too. The words are clear enough, if you know them anyway.
Pleonasm, eh?..............i'll have what she's having.

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Re: Spotted by chance today, I thought it interesting.
« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2015, 12:27:05 AM »


A synonym of redundancy is pleonasm. That's why I used that word, too. The words are clear enough, if you know them anyway.
Pleonasm, eh?..............i'll have what she's having.
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Re: Spotted by chance today, I thought it interesting.
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2015, 07:49:33 AM »
I used synonyms for tautology, such as redundancy and pleonasm. Try reading #14 again. As for them not being "quite the same as tautology", thesaurus.com and Dr Roget disagree. I'll stick with the good doctor. He hasn't put me wrong yet.
Hi Shakes, I had read post #14.  The problem with your chosen words is that they can be used to reference emphasis or refer to fault of style, which isn't the case with 'tautology' which is only used in reference to the latter.  Your posts were clearly not referring to jc's use of the words as emphasis; they were critical of his style, so 'tautology' would have been clearer English.
One of the great joys of English, as she is wrote, is the profusion of synonyms. That redundancy, tautology and pleonasm can all be utilised to describe the witless, ignorant stupidity of using the phrase godless atheists is as bounteous as someone trying to defend the phrase could be described as wrong, incorrect, fallacious, spurious, erroneous, specious, mistaken, amiss, misguided, perverse.....

Leonard James

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Re: Spotted by chance today, I thought it interesting.
« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2015, 08:02:00 AM »
... a country where atheism was forced upon them from 1948 to the early 1980s.

If it were possible to force a belief/disbelief on a people, there would be no dissenters in that particular country. No such country exists, which is proof positive of the error of your assertion.

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Re: Spotted by chance today, I thought it interesting.
« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2015, 08:42:35 AM »
... a country where atheism was forced upon them from 1948 to the early 1980s.

If it were possible to force a belief/disbelief on a people, there would be no dissenters in that particular country. No such country exists, which is proof positive of the error of your assertion.
That isn't really what Hope is saying though, in that he is pointing out a country where general religious freedom was suppressed, not that it was successful. The problem as often covered elsewhere is that seeking to equate an ideology such as communism with what atheism is, is as flawed as stating that all theists are like ISIS.

And before the cookie monster reacts that it is what I did earlier, I would point out that it was him Co opting all Muslims as part of his 'team' that lead me to point out that would necessitate supporting ISIS, unless he wanted to indulge in a No True Muslim fallacy. The whole stuff with numbers that people indulge in just leads to this, and in that sense Hope is entirely right. Indulge in the 'we are all atheists/theists/cocksuckers together' pish and you end up effectively supporting any deranged nutter who is part of that grouping.


You also gain nothing since it is either a vacuous ad populum, or a sort of knee hugging smarmy we're winning and you smell to other people.

Leonard James

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Re: Spotted by chance today, I thought it interesting.
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2015, 08:56:55 AM »
... a country where atheism was forced upon them from 1948 to the early 1980s.

If it were possible to force a belief/disbelief on a people, there would be no dissenters in that particular country. No such country exists, which is proof positive of the error of your assertion.
That isn't really what Hope is saying though...

Then he should have said what he meant.

ippy

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Re: Spotted by chance today, I thought it interesting.
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2015, 01:19:02 PM »
Not sure why you inserted 'humour' into my post, ippy, there was no joke and in this case my spelling, or rather my typing, was correct.

The spelling was as I said, I'm among the worlds worst people at spelling so all I related to you was that my spell checker was picking out your word and I also mentioned the setting it was on.

The not very inspiring humour was mine "demoralising" was a weak challenge offered out as a mild wind up, like I said not a belly laugh.

ippy
dinnae fash yersel

What language was that?

ippy

Scots via French. The 'fash' is interesting - since it appears to be connected with the french word 'facher' (which should have a circumflex, only I don't know how to do it) - which means to vex.
"Do not vex yourself"

I did have a guess at that D U, thanks for the conformation.

ippy

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Re: Spotted by chance today, I thought it interesting.
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2015, 01:20:37 PM »


A synonym of redundancy is pleonasm. That's why I used that word, too. The words are clear enough, if you know them anyway.
Pleonasm, eh?..............i'll have what she's having.

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