Homeopathy (again)

[jeremyp]

Sorry, enki, but an organisation/author can reference any number of posiive and negative reports and studies, yet still be biased one way or the other.  Having read a number of rationalwiki articles over the years, I tend to take any conclusion that is come to there with a pinch of salt

This is a classic ad hominem. In fact, I think it's ad hominem by proxy. Because you have problems with Rational Wiki, therefore all their arguments can be dismissed and all of their citations. This is muddled thinking on your part of the highest order.

since it's raison d'etre is always to come down on the so-called 'rational' side of any argument

Oh dear, fancy wanting to come down on the rational (aka most likely to be correct) side of the argument. How awful of them.

Whatever you think of Rational Wiki, the citations in this case are solid and show that homeopathy is a crock.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Sorry, enki, but an organisation/author can reference any number of posiive and negative reports and studies, yet still be biased one way or the other.  Having read a number of rationalwiki articles over the years, I tend to take any conclusion that is come to there with a pinch of salt

This is a classic ad hominem. In fact, I think it's ad hominem by proxy. Because you have problems with Rational Wiki,

Yes Jeremy.....but Rational Wiki?....really.

Rationalwiki is to philosophy what The Sun is to a serious study of current affairs.

[Ricky Spanish]

Like Theology is the study of stuff that never happened, ergo, stuff that doesn't mean a goddamn thing!!

[jeremyp]

Sorry, enki, but an organisation/author can reference any number of posiive and negative reports and studies, yet still be biased one way or the other.  Having read a number of rationalwiki articles over the years, I tend to take any conclusion that is come to there with a pinch of salt

This is a classic ad hominem. In fact, I think it's ad hominem by proxy. Because you have problems with Rational Wiki,

Yes Jeremy.....but Rational Wiki?....really.

Rationalwiki is to philosophy what The Sun is to a serious study of current affairs.

whatever you think of Rational Wiki, it's right about homeopathy.

[Sriram]

Hi everyone,

Ok....I am a homeopathy user and have been one for  more than 30 years. I  find it very useful and in fact, sometimes almost miraculous as compared to many other systems.   

Of course, I also use Allopathy (modern medicine) and Ayurveda for ailments where I believe those will be more useful. I have no particular allegiance to any one system of medicine. Whatever works for me in the case of any particular ailment I will use without reservation. I have never tried Acupuncture but I have found Pranic Healing useful for some problems. Very often I combine systems if necessary. Some  of them are complementary...though Allopathy and Ayurveda  should not normally be combined.

About 'placebo'...!  No one knows what placebo means or how it works. Placebo is not just mental deception or bluff....its much more than that and far more complex than we imagine. So...I think we should avoid dubbing something as 'just placebo'....as though it is of no significance.

About the NHS......haven't they been threatening to ban Homeopathy for many years now?! I thought it was banned years ago!  Anyway many people in the UK use homeopathy (the royal family being most significant)....and it should be available for their use.

Clinical trials are not everything. If they were we wouldn't be having so many drugs withdrawn and so many side effects.  Its about how individual patients react to treatments.

I believe that medicine is more than just anatomy and physiology. 'Body is a machine' concept is nonsense.  Its all about the mind (the biofield) and how it meshes in with the body.  Since we seem to know very little about the mind and its nature and almost nothing about the biofield.....(its existence being denied even today by science)....we aren't likely to make many informed guesses about what good health really means and therefore about how homeopathy works. 

Just some thoughts.

Sriram

 

[Enki]

About 'placebo'...!  No one knows what placebo means or how it works. Placebo is not just mental deception or bluff....its much more than that and far more complex than we imagine. So...I think we should avoid dubbing something as 'just placebo'....as though it is of no significance.

Well, Sriram, please don't count me amongst those who would use the phrase'just placebo..... as though it is of no significance'. I did say, in post 3, "it seems to be an expensive way just to access a placebo effect." which is an entirely different point, and, in no way reflects what I consider to be an important effect, and one which merits much further detailed investigation.

[Udayana]

Has anyone considered that a consultation with a doctor qualified in conventional and homeopathic medicine is completely different to a normal NHS type (free) consultation with a GP?

These later are usually for around 10 minutes and usually restricted to discussing one health issue only.

An homeopathic consultation (usually relatively expensive) is usually at least 30 minutes and and considers all medical symptoms and the general health and well-being of the patient. Apart from the placebo effect of the homeopathic remedy - wouldn't this difference be likely to affect diagnosis and affect recovery rates?

[Sebastian Toe]

Oh no................ category fucker alert..............category fucker alert.

Where is BA when you need him to put right all of the foul mouthed, language light, low-life posters on this board? 

I would have expected a severe tongue lashing at least.

Oh wait a minute,you are not an athiest/Shaker/Outrider/jeremeyp are you? 

Sorry!