Bestiality in Germany

[Bubbles]

I think originally that's the real reason dogs cats and horses are not traditionally eaten in the uk, that they are working animals.

Pigs have never been regarded as a working animal.

[Rhiannon]

You need to learn more about animal intelligence and behaviour then.

[Bubbles]

Vegetables, fruits and leaves are normally given off by the plants and trees... and no life is take in most cases.  The pulp of the fruits and veggies are eaten and the seeds are thrown back for germination.

Its only in some cases that the roots or stem of the plants are eaten.

Potatoes, carrots, onions, leeks, cauliflower , cabbage, asparagus, spinach, swedes, rhubarb, ......

Most of the plants we eat here, involves the roots or stem or even the whole thing.

What do you eat in India then?

[Rhiannon]

Potatoes, carrots, onions, leeks, cauliflower , cabbage, asparagus, spinach, swedes, rhubarb, ......

Most of the plants we eat here, involves the roots or stem or even the whole thing.

What do you eat in India then?

Most vegetables are annuals. They are harvested at the end of their lives.

Plants such as rhubarb and asparagus are perennial - harvesting part does not affect the whole and often encourages new growth (perpetual spinach for example).

Eating many fruits and berries is how their seeds get distributed. In some parts if the country figs grow near sewage works because of seeds in human faeces.

None of the above is sentient.

[Bubbles]

You need to learn more about animal intelligence and behaviour then.

You need to learn about different ideas and societies  then, and be able to consider yours is not the only answer and way of seeing things and that you don't hold the only right ultimate answer.

It might help you understand why things are as they are, and people make different choices to you.

I've spent most of my life around animals of various sorts, as have many farmers.

Have you asked the dairy farmers about the intelligence and behaviour of his flock?

You might find the very people who spend their whole lives dealing with animals just might disagree with you.

[Rhiannon]

You need to learn about different ideas and societies  then, and be able to consider yours is not the only answer and way of seeing things and that you don't hold the only right ultimate answer.

It might help you understand why things are as they are and people make different choices to you.

I've spent most of my life around animals of various sorts, as have many farmers.

Have you asked the dairy farmers about the intelligence and behaviour of his flock?

You might find the very people who spend their whole lives dealing with animals just might disagree with you.

Of course they would; I'm very far from getting it right, as I do still eat dairy, although nothing like as much as I used to.

But I understand cultural norms can be broken. And I understand that just because pigs (like cats) can't be trained like dogs, they are still as intelligent. Imagine how a dog would react to a slaughterhouse. Pigs will have the same level of understanding.

[Bubbles]

Of course they would; I'm very far from getting it right, as I do still eat dairy, although nothing like as much as I used to.

But I understand cultural norms can be broken. And I understand that just because pigs (like cats) can't be trained like dogs, they are still as intelligent. Imagine how a dog would react to a slaughterhouse. Pigs will have the same level of understanding.

Well here is someone's account of going to a slaughterhouse who knew pigs.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/aug/29/slaughterhouse-crossing-line-between-life-meat

Perhaps the co2 idea is the most humane idea, the pigs don't sound like they get too stressed.

[Rhiannon]

No, not being too stressed before being killed's fine. 

[Bubbles]

No, not being too stressed before being killed's fine. 

If they could make the pigs sleepy so there wasn't any potential stress caused by the gas, even better.

Rhiannon, if people are going to eat meat ( which they are) isn't it better to improve the slaughter method?

Being a vegetarian by conscience is a personal choice.

Funnily enough, I respect that.

But I also respect people's desire to eat meat as part of a balanced diet.

I'd much rather the animal welfare groups concentrated on improving the process of slaughter, rather than trying to insist we all make the same choice.

Anyway we are drifting again 

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[Sebastian Toe]

Pigs can't be trained?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AZPrcyxrrE

[Udayana]

If they could make the pigs sleepy so there wasn't any potential stress caused by the gas, even better.

Rhiannon, if people are going to eat meat ( which they are) isn't it better to improve the slaughter method?

Being a vegetarian by conscience is a personal choice.

Funnily enough, I respect that.

But I also respect people's desire to eat meat as part of a balanced diet.

I'd much rather the animal welfare groups concentrated on improving the process of slaughter, rather than trying to insist we all make the same choice.

Anyway we are drifting again 

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The point is that: if killing of animals (for food) is acceptable on the basis of cultural choice then why isn't bestiality?

I suspect that this has nothing to do with the welfare, suffering or rights of the animals but is entirely down to taboos in human cultures. This doesn't mean that there aren't perfectly good reasons why these taboos exist.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Plants feel and according to the Prince of Wales, "For the best results you must talk to your vegetables." (smilies)

http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/videos/do-plants-respond-to-pain/12151

[Shaker]

Plants feel and according to the Prince of Wales, "For the best results you must talk to your vegetables." (smilies)

http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/videos/do-plants-respond-to-pain/12151

This is the same man who expressed a desire to be a tampon.

Still, you're keeping up with your usual standard of sources, I'll give you that.

[Sebastian Toe]

A man in Germany was rushed to hospital to have a dangerous
mole removed from his penis...... he won't be shagging one of those again!

 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

A man in Germany was rushed to hospital to have a dangerous
mole removed from his penis...... he won't be shagging one of those again!

Bravo sir.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Oh, Shaker is a grumpy Marxist today, can't handle an amusing quote. Well try this one and then go take over the world. "If is doesn't fart and eat hay, she isn't interested" Prince Phillip talking about his daughter.

 Did Charles really say he wants to be a tampon? My, he sure admires you.

You ok about the fact that plants do feel? Good, so go stomp on a head of lettuce.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

A man in Germany was rushed to hospital to have a dangerous
mole removed from his penis...... he won't be shagging one of those again!

I told you not to mention the warT.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I thought the UK was a Big Fucking democracy but I may have misheard the Prime Minister.