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Re: "What we've got here is failure to communicate..."
« Reply #175 on: February 21, 2016, 11:15:26 PM »
Have you anything logically or intellectually interesting to say which doesn't expound on your ignorance of both Christianity and the bible?  You need to go over your post. It makes you look stupid.

It's plain to see that you find the facts disconcerting.
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Re: "What we've got here is failure to communicate..."
« Reply #176 on: February 22, 2016, 01:06:51 AM »


How does the CEO become responsible if the people who are trained cannot and do not do their jobs.
Incompetence is not the fault of the CEO. Personal managers and others the company employ below him have to be at fault.

So that would be Jesus and his disciples at fault then!
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« Reply #177 on: February 22, 2016, 11:06:53 AM »
If you as an employee breach data protection, the ceo is still considered at fault and could end up being sentenced. Both of you can be sentenced.

It's why companies are so particular about it.

In the same way, if God hardens people's hearts or dishes them out a life that doesn't work in his favour, then some of the responsibility for the end result, is going to be his.

IMO anyway.



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« Reply #178 on: February 23, 2016, 09:26:01 AM »
So that would be Jesus and his disciples at fault then!

Thinking about it, I guess it was all pretty tense at that last supper.  What with Jesus comparing the wine to his blood and the bread to his flesh.

I bet nobody touched the meatballs.
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« Reply #179 on: February 23, 2016, 09:30:31 AM »
Thinking about it, I guess it was all pretty tense at that last supper.  What with Jesus comparing the wine to his blood and the bread to his flesh.

I bet nobody touched the meatballs.

They opted for the faggots instead  ;)


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« Reply #180 on: February 23, 2016, 01:34:40 PM »
They opted for the faggots instead  ;)

I wonder if they were laced with piss-pudding.

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« Reply #181 on: February 28, 2016, 03:26:54 AM »
Is that how you admit that you were wrong Sass?

You need to go over your post.
It makes you look - really stupid.

Thanks for confirming to everyone I am right and you are clutching at straws.
Tut! tut! tut!
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« Reply #182 on: February 28, 2016, 05:36:51 AM »
Thanks for confirming to everyone I am right and you are clutching at straws.
Tut! tut! tut!

Not "everyone", Sass. As far as I am concerned ST is right and you are wrong.

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« Reply #183 on: February 28, 2016, 11:39:23 AM »
Not "everyone", Sass. As far as I am concerned ST is right and you are wrong.

While yet again, Sass fails to answer the point in question.

Thus proving the points I made in an earlier post:

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What is it with believers and their reluctance to answer questions?

Unlike the believers, I think most unbelievers will always try to answer a question posed by another person, regardless of the question, or indeed, who is posing it.

Will we always answer it to complete satisfaction?

Sometimes we will, sometimes not at all and sometimes never.  However, as a believer, I for one really dislike walking away from a question without at least trying to answer it.  Seems that this is a personal standard shared by many unbelievers and not-so-many believers.  It's a good quality.

Sure, we can be seen as arrogant at times; even forceful in our pursuit of accountability.  Unlike believers, we  have no problem being scrutinised and we are also able to elucidate in a way that can be understood by anyone willing to apply the same effort at understanding that we place ourselves out there to be scrutinised.

What I notice with theists is they like to jut the chin out and challenge.  However, try asking them a question that requires them to inspect what they think and you'll find they will try to shift the point of discussion to some sort of "only I can understand it" slant.

So, it's rare you run across an atheist that won't put themselves up to be picked apart or explain why they think as they do.

If it can be understood by one, it can by all, no desire or faith required.

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« Reply #184 on: February 28, 2016, 12:41:12 PM »
Thanks for confirming to everyone I am right and you are clutching at straws.
Tut! tut! tut!

Everyone?
Lets see.....

Not "everyone", Sass. As far as I am concerned ST is right and you are wrong.

Thanks for confirming Sass, that you are talking out of your arse!
Tisk tisk tisk!  ;D

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« Reply #185 on: March 16, 2016, 07:49:00 AM »
It's plain to see that you find the facts disconcerting.
They are not facts... Denominations are not the religion. Christianity is the religion.
The Roman Catholic Church... Christian.
Mormon Church...      Christian.

You see, even thinking that way... they are not different religions they are just different leaders and founders.
But the truth is that there is ONLY one Christian true Church.
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21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

So you were wrong... because the tenets of faith are what Christ says here.
That the true worshippers worship in Spirit and Truth.

Christ the Truth and the Spirit being the one true sign of being a Christian. You must receive Christ and be born of the Spirit.

You show time and time again (along with the others ignorant to truth) that you have no basic knowledge of understanding when it comes to the bible, God or true Christian worshippers.
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« Reply #186 on: March 16, 2016, 07:50:23 AM »
So that would be Jesus and his disciples at fault then!

Do you see his disciples around today?

Did Jesus not say...

"Go away, I never knew you."  Read the bible and then discuss. Till you do you will continue to make the same errors you are making here.
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« Reply #187 on: March 16, 2016, 07:55:05 AM »
Some people add insult to their own injury. At the end of this conversation there would be the old get out card.
" We were just trying to wind Sassy up."

So instead of the heckling and unfounded stupid remarks let us put them to the test.

BRING BIBLICAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT ALL YOU HAVE SAID IN OT AND NT AND USE THE WORDS OF CHRIST HIMSELF TO DO IT.

Now we see who is the ridiculously ignorant atheist posters now.


Like it is ever going to happen.... they are incompetent of doing what is asked.

In future guys... keep away from subjects you are not qualified to discuss.
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« Reply #188 on: March 16, 2016, 08:19:35 AM »
Do you see his disciples around today?

Did Jesus not say...

"Go away, I never knew you." Read the bible and then discuss. Till you do you will continue to make the same errors you are making here.

Sass, if Jesus was around today he might use that phrase where you are concerned! Your nonsense certainly isn't doing the faith any favours whatsoever. Instead of looking for faults in others, maybe you should clean up your own act first, THINK ON!

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« Reply #189 on: March 16, 2016, 09:13:35 AM »
Sass, if Jesus was around today he might use that phrase where you are concerned! Your nonsense certainly isn't doing the faith any favours whatsoever. Instead of looking for faults in others, maybe you should clean up your own act first, THINK ON!
He might well, do, Floo.  Conversely, he might use the other famous phrase from that passage to you!!  How would that go down with you?
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« Reply #190 on: March 16, 2016, 09:28:02 AM »
You closed your mind. You stopped wondering and bought into a dogma that allows no deviation from what is taught in church. No thinking needed. When you buy into religion, you turn off the light that says, "if there is no prove that something exists, it is reasonable to doubt any claims put forth for the faith".

Darkness rules your mind.
Khat, I studied the 3 main sciences to 'o'-level, and Physics and Maths (+ English) to 'A'-levels.  Whilst I grew up in a Christan family, I didn't become a Christian until just shy of my 18th birthday.  For most of my teenage years,, I looked pretty seriously into both Hinduism and Buddhsm and even flirted with atheism.  The reason I didn't choose any of them is that - as far as I could seem none of them answered the real questions I had about life and the purpose of ife.  In other words, 'when I bought into' Christianity properly, I wasn't turning off a light, I was stating that I believed that these other routes to 'enlightenment' were dead-ends.  As I have studied and lived amongst people of yet other belief systems - be that Marxism, Islam, Jainism, materialism or Sikhism (to name but 5) I have found that whilst they may go some way to the light - all of them come up short in some way or another.

I accept that I've probably picked the route that, to me, seems to provide more answers to the questions I've had and will continue to have - but also allows me to have those questions.  For me, science, massively important though it is, simply doesn't acknowledge many of the big questions about life; its purpose, its value, its raison d'etre.
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« Reply #191 on: March 16, 2016, 09:32:40 AM »
Thinking about it, I guess it was all pretty tense at that last supper.  What with Jesus comparing the wine to his blood and the bread to his flesh.
I doubt there was any more tension than there would have been at any Passover meal, Khat.  After all, the Jews had been celebrating this event for several centuries by the time of this particular event.  All Jesus was doing was pointing out that, whilst historically, the sacrifice had been lambs, henseforth the sacrifice would be God himself.

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I bet nobody touched the meatballs.
Traditionally, the meat would have been lamb and often, I'm told, boiled rather than roasted.
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Re: "What we've got here is failure to communicate..."
« Reply #192 on: March 16, 2016, 11:50:03 AM »
Do you see his disciples around today?


You miss the point, but then that is not a surprise!
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Re: "What we've got here is failure to communicate..."
« Reply #193 on: March 16, 2016, 11:58:42 AM »
They are not facts... Denominations are not the religion. Christianity is the religion.
Mormon Church...      Christian.

That is interesting, I'm not sure that many of your fellow believers on here would agree with you though.  :-\

eg 2Corrie

Why is this even on the Christian thread  :o anyone here break bread with the Mormons ?

eg Oh My Word
So because they mention Jesus Christ, they are Christian. That's too funny, and very stunted.

Now get educated.

http://www.4truth.net/fourtruthpbnew.aspx?pageid=8589952801

http://www.bible-truth.org/arelds.htm

If you actually compared the Jesus of the Bible to the Jesus of the Mormon church you wouldn't make such stunted mistakes, Shaker. Even their dead prophet Hinckley admitted that their Christ is not the same Christ as mine.


eg Hope

the problem with all these references is that Mormonism does not regard Jesus as one with God.  It regards him as a human being.

Are they all wrong?
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Re: "What we've got here is failure to communicate..."
« Reply #194 on: March 16, 2016, 12:28:06 PM »
No.  There are rights and wrongs in all, in the sense that there are errors, not ''moral wrongness''.  That is because we are humans trying to make sense.

Perhaps if we stopped striving (difficult!), we may have insights.
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