Further to Sassy's posts 64 & 68 :
I must admit I've not met anyone who wants out of the EU. We didn't actually vote to go in all those years ago.
Maybe always having lived and worked in London, people from other countries don't bother me at all. I've not known people from overseas take ''our jobs'' or ''our houses'', they fill vacancies the same as anyone else and eventually buy their own house if they want to stay here, some are prepared to work doing things that most of us wouldn't. Who wants to pick turnips at seven pounds an hour! Lots of Poles rent houses and multiply occupy while they earn some money. We all blend a bit, not entirely of course, no-one wants to lose their culture. It makes life interesting. British people go abroad to live and work too.
How often each week do you leave your house and go into the cities in England and see the homeless on our streets?
How many homeless people last year turned away when seeking medical help from a hospital...( because they without due thought or care thought they wanted a bed for the night) died because of the medical negligence?
Lot's of Poles claim dole and asylum seekers and get homes and medical attention for free.
Truth is you rarely venture out anywhere and so do not see any reality of what happens to our own people on the streets.
What an hypocritical and denying middle class attitude. I suppose if you commit adultery it would mean that it isn't bad or wrong for others to do it, because if you have done it, then it has to be okay for them. As Christ said:- Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. So if you steal anyone who comes here and steals is ok. Just as it is okay for our own people to be left to die on the street without medical attention or given a home for these polish, Russians, Romanians to come here and get it all.
Jakswan said: ''1950's Britain, scared of brown people, homophobic, illiberal, racist, no irish - no dogs signs and everyone attending church once a week.''
I was a child then but remember all that very well (apart from the church once a week, not everyone did that), some of it carried on into the '60s. People were saying, for example, that West Indians were coming here, taking 'our' jobs and getting 'our' housing. In fact the West Indians, who came from Commonwealth countries, were invited here as jobs could not be filled, eg on buses, British Rail etc. They generally lived in private rented accommodation, multiply occupied, until such time as they could buy their own properties. They were definitely treated badly - even in 'our' churches - and viewed with suspicion. ('Windrush' by Mike Philips is a book about West Indian migration to the UK. I would heartily recommend it.)
The WEST indians already here before the 60's.
19th century[edit]
Prominent African-Caribbean people in Britain during the 19th century include:
William Davidson (1781–1820), Cato Street Conspirator
Rev. George Cousens, a Jamaican who became minister of Cradley Heath Baptist Church in 1837
Mary Seacole (1805–1881), a nurse in the Crimean War.
Walter Tull, footballer and soldier,
Andrew Watson, footballer.
Robert Wedderburn (1762-1835/6?), Spencean revolutionary
Nathaniel Wells, landowner and yeomanry officer.
Early 20th century[edit]
The growing Caribbean presence in the British military led to approximately 15,000 migrants arriving in the north-west of England around the time of World War I to work in munitions factories.[16]
The Jamaican poet and communist activist, Claude McKay came to England following the First World War and became the first Black British journalist, writing for the Workers' Dreadnought.
Later on, late 1960s and early '70s, there were two waves of immigration from Kenya and Uganda, 'Asian' people, and there was outcry about them but they settled, worked hard, bought houses and are now assimilated.
It makes me feel ashamed that British people were so unwelcoming.
The same type of shame as on the Titanic when people from the upper class and your own left lower class women and children shut in the lower decks to drown because they were not of a class worth saving.
Let me see, if the first world war was...
July 28, 1914 – November 11, 1918 and the Titanic sank in 1912. Do you think your class has changed since then?
The truth is that people of your class caused the whole immigration farce in the first instance. People who stuck their heads in the sand and refused to see what was in front of them or the real reason why the people were worried about immigration.
First world war most of the WORKING CLASS were sent to the front even the young boys as canon fodder and not wanting to work in the muntion factories themselves and get blown up they allowed others to come here and risk their lives instead.
They allowed them to fight in the army and they allowed them to work in munitions factories
Working class people have always suffered at the hand of those like yourself, you believe it is alright for them to be used as
fodder. Working class women working in munition factories whilst the other classes kept their hands clean.
Do you see how you purposely remember the 60's but cannot be bothered about the real history.
So please if you want to be ashamed be ashamed of your deliberate ignorance of the reality and truth that you ignored.
It wasn't the working class people ashamed of those on the street or people coming in from those areas which need refuge from abroad. Those working class people were the ones who lived on the street and whom our country saw as the lowest of the low suitable to be canon fodder and munition workers at risk.
You should be ashamed of the class system which still does make those of lower class the problem rather than the class protection system. Without the working class we do not have Country. They don't want immigrants here to make the Country better. They want it, so they can run it as they choose and leave the poor back in the gutter. Families who are british from birth on the street without a home, food and clothes. No provision of safety or assistance once again taking responsibility from our Government to provide. The very first NHS hospital lost it's ER department and now they will close it completely leaving emergency treatment at least 15-20 minutes away even on blues and twos.
Go back to your cocoon... It appears ignorance is really bliss with you.
