Destiny

[Jack Knave]

I thought Kevin was a leprechaun.

Well yes and no. He/she/it is a protean which is why he/she/it is all things, and more.....in fact anything you what he/she/it to be.....no proof required.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Maybe it's the atheists destiny to sort out these destiny headed dreamers and deluded faith heads.

Sorting them out? By tracking them down to the beach and then arresting them?

[ippy]

Sorting them out? By tracking them down to the beach and then arresting them?

Hi there Vlad I notice you don't seem to have a grip on the meaning of atheist and then when you add to that you can't get your head around what secularism actually stands for, it looks like you're not doing very well lately.

I notice the stupid berkini ban has been overturned, what did atheism have to do with any of that lot Vlad?

ippy

[Hope]

No such thing as destiny; ... .

For once, I agree with torridon.   At least, not in any spiritual sense.  On the other hand, I think that genetics can provide some degree of 'destiny' - if one has a genetic condition, it is likely that any natural children you have might will inherit it and the 'destiny' associated with that.

[Harrowby Hall]

For once, I agree with torridon.   At least, not in any spiritual sense.  On the other hand, I think that genetics can provide some degree of 'destiny' - if one has a genetic condition, it is likely that any natural children you have might will inherit it and the 'destiny' associated with that.

I trust you realise, Hope, that you are providing a golden opportunity for Sriram to start on epigenetics again ....

[Sriram]

For once, I agree with torridon.   At least, not in any spiritual sense.  On the other hand, I think that genetics can provide some degree of 'destiny' - if one has a genetic condition, it is likely that any natural children you have might will inherit it and the 'destiny' associated with that.

I agree destiny is a bit dicey...especially if you are religious and believe in God, free will,  right and wrong, reward & punishment etc.

Scientists find it easier to believe in predetermination because everything to them is just laws of physics. Life works like a machine... on and on. No external intervention. Once the ball gets rolling it goes on in accordance with the laws.

I believe in karma, reincarnation and spiritual development. I believe that the physical is only a product of the spiritual. How this fits in with destiny is a bit difficult to put together. 

Karma itself is destiny in a sense...and what HH talks of epigenetics is also valid here. Everything has an effect, a reaction and a consequence. This is destiny.

I believe life is like a VR computer game. Everything in the game is fixed....but you can still win or lose. As you keep doing the right things you keep progressing to higher and more complex aspects of the game.....rules become tighter and more intricate. If you lose you keep repeating the game.

This idea has room for destiny, freewill, karma, equality, individual development and progression....and also a smart game designer.

[torridon]

I agree destiny is a bit dicey...especially if you are religious and believe in God, free will,  right and wrong, reward & punishment etc.

Scientists find it easier to believe in predetermination because everything to them is just laws of physics. Life works like a machine... on and on. No external intervention. Once the ball gets rolling it goes on in accordance with the laws.

I believe in karma, reincarnation and spiritual development. I believe that the physical is only a product of the spiritual. How this fits in with destiny is a bit difficult to put together. 

Karma itself is destiny in a sense...and what HH talks of epigenetics is also valid here. Everything has an effect, a reaction and a consequence. This is destiny.

I believe life is like a VR computer game. Everything in the game is fixed....but you can still win or lose. As you keep doing the right things you keep progressing to higher and more complex aspects of the game.....rules become tighter and more intricate. If you lose you keep repeating the game.

This idea has room for destiny, freewill, karma, equality, individual development and progression....and also a smart game designer.

Misleading to say 'scientists believe in predetermination'.  Scientists observe and report.  Beliefs, on the other hand, are essentially personal indulgences, habits of mind

[Sriram]

Somewhat pedantic....but ok...I agree.

But having said that....there is significant belief involved in moving from mathematical scientific theories and models.... to accepting them as fact and reality.

[Maeght]

Somewhat pedantic....but ok...I agree.

But having said that....there is significant belief involved in moving from mathematical scientific theories and models.... to accepting them as fact and reality.

That process involves testing of the theory by experiment and further observation. Not really belief.