BBC is on the way out.

[L.A.]

The lack of news about the government except when what news there is is provided by the government and a concurrent focus on the problems of opposition parties isn't quite what I would call even handed.

If there is an alternative to the BBC increasingly being an arm of the Governing party then it is serving politics like sport. Politics in this model according to the BBC is about winners and losers. We, the BBC support the Man.UTD of politics, the Governing party because they are winners and we want you to know that we will cover all their winning matches (hence the lack of coverage). But there are some interesting matches going on in the lower leagues (The other parties) Jones V Corbyn. UKIP councillors Vs UKIP MEPs.....................Yes that model fits.

The BEEB is a very strange organisation, it's semi-autonomous status makes it pretty unique. I think you can criticise it on a great many levels, but I don't believe that it is simply a government mouth-piece.

[Nearly Sane]

The BEEB is a very strange organisation, it's semi-autonomous status makes it pretty unique. I think you can criticise it on a great many levels, but I don't believe that it is simply a government mouth-piece.

the thing I struggle with about Vlad's case is the question of them using Govt statistics. It is part of the govt role to provide the stats so where else would they come from?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The BEEB is a very strange organisation, it's semi-autonomous status makes it pretty unique. I think you can criticise it on a great many levels, but I don't believe that it is simply a government mouth-piece.

But the evidence shows that it is heavily dependent on Government statements to the tune of three quarters of output.

That suggests only a quarter of like information is from other sources. It would be interesting to see how much of political coverage is in fact not coverage but opinion. I think we can guess that in ball park terms.

[Nearly Sane]

But the evidence shows that it is heavily dependent on Government statements to the tune of three quarters of output.

That suggests only a quarter of like information is from other sources. It would be interesting to see how much of political coverage is in fact not coverage but opinion. I think we can guess that in ball park terms.

your original statement here was statistics and not statements and not output. You are now arguing against yourself by the way because you are stating that three quarters of the BBC output but that all the stories are about the opposition and not govt statements

[Walt Zingmatilder]

the thing I struggle with about Vlad's case is the question of them using Govt statistics. It is part of the govt role to provide the stats so where else would they come from?

I think these are politically relevant statistics.
So political issue-Get statistics...but the bbc works on a system political issue- Go to Government. I think......Don't take it from me look at the Guardian article.

[Nearly Sane]

I think these are politically relevant statistics.
So political issue-Get statistics...but the bbc works on a system political issue- Go to Government. I think......Don't take it from me look at the Guardian article.

eh?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

eh?

No Manuel, you're meant to say Que? Not eh?

[Hope]

I think these are politically relevant statistics.
So political issue-Get statistics...but the bbc works on a system political issue- Go to Government. I think......Don't take it from me look at the Guardian article.

Most stats are politically-relevant, in some way or another, Vlad.  Whilst I enjoy the Guardian, in the same way that I enjoy the Times and the Independent, I don't always accept the premisses that underlie articles that appear in the 3 papers.  As I have said several times before, when media with different political allegiances all accuse a public body of bias against the particular political stance they support, it suggests that the accused organisation is pretty neutral.

[Hope]

The lack of news about the government except when what news there is is provided by the government and a concurrent focus on the problems of opposition parties isn't quite what I would call even handed.

Vlad, since the whole body-political is currently on holiday, what news about the governing party - let alone the Government as a whole - is there?  We have only had a summer of Labour Party stories because there is a massive upheaval within that party.  It would be a 'big story' whether it was the party of Government or of Opposition.  Remember, also, that Government requires both a governing party AND a fully-functioning opposition party.

If there is an alternative to the BBC increasingly being an arm of the Governing party then it is serving politics like sport. Politics in this model according to the BBC is about winners and losers. We, the BBC support the Man.UTD of politics, the Governing party because they are winners and we want you to know that we will cover all their winning matches (hence the lack of coverage). But there are some interesting matches going on in the lower leagues (The other parties) Jones V Corbyn. UKIP councillors Vs UKIP MEPs.....................Yes that model fits.

eh?  Remember that several of the 'Brexit' articles that have appeared on the BBC website have had a lot to say about - often negative - about the ministers that TM appointed to oversee the Brexit process.

[Ricky Spanish]

Blue Labour versus Red Labour..

Of course, Blue Labour wins.. 

People are selfish and like to think they are more important than others, even though they are not the top of their ladder..

...even though that ladder is beneath them..

Whatever happened to the likely lads??

[Hope]

Blue Labour versus Red Labour..

Of course, Blue Labour wins.. 

People are selfish and like to think they are more important than others, even though they are not the top of their ladder..

...even though that ladder is beneath them..

Whatever happened to the likely lads??

Ricky, if anything its Magenta Labour v Red Labour - though I'm not sure we've ever had a truly 'red' Labour Party.  If anything, Jeremy is probably a magenta shade, and the Blairites are a plum shade.

[L.A.]

Ricky, if anything its Magenta Labour v Red Labour - though I'm not sure we've ever had a truly 'red' Labour Party.  If anything, Jeremy is probably a magenta shade, and the Blairites are a plum shade.

More like the realists verses the fantasists.