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Religion and environment
« on: February 07, 2017, 09:13:19 AM »

Hi everyone,

Religion can make us more environment friendly...this BBC article says.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170206-religion-can-make-us-more-environmentally-friendly-or-not

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Eight out of 10 people around the world consider themselves religious. That figure shows that...

What does that mean for the environmental movement? Does a belief in God or the supernatural make people more or less likely to take care of animals and the environment?

..historian Lynn White proposed that Christian religions undermine wildlife conservation by advocating a domination ethic over nature

Other historians and theologians have argued that White was misreading the Bible, and that the text actually implies that we have a duty of care towards nature.

...researchers tackled that question by asking whether there was a relationship between a country's main religion and the number of important biodiversity areas it contained. They found that Christian countries, particularly Catholic ones, tended to have more areas set aside for nature than other countries.

However, this does not mean White was completely wrong. Other studies suggest that conservative Christians really are less environmentally friendly than other denominations.

Andrew Greeley looked at how much Americans were willing to spend on conserving the environment. He found that Christian fundamentalists were less willing, and Catholics more willing, to financially support the environment. This suggests that it is not whether a person is Christian, but rather what type of Christian they are, that influences their behaviour towards nature.

...conflicts between opposing faiths could influence how people feel about protected areas. In particular, a shift away from more traditional faiths could be bad for nature.

...who had converted from a traditional faith to become evangelical Christians had a higher intent to kill lions than those that kept their traditional faith. "These converted Protestants did not have very positive attitudes towards national parks or wildlife either," says Hazzah.

The more often a Buddhist undertook religious activities, the more likely it was that they had a more positive attitude towards wolves and snow leopards. In other words, the link between Buddhism and pro-environment attitudes was only apparent for the more deeply religious Buddhists.

 conservationists need to integrate their ideas into religious thinking. "Religions, and certainly the versions of Islam and Buddhism that we have studied, seem to have well-developed philosophies towards nature and wildlife," says Bhatia. "Religious practitioners and leaders therefore have a potentially important role in conserving nature."

...they showed the sheikhs passages in the Koran that promote pro-environmental behaviour, and told them that dynamite fishing goes against these teachings. The sheikhs spread the information to their community and, as devout Muslims, the fishermen listened.

...he also noticed that Muslims had lost their connection with nature, because like so many other people they had become preoccupied with wealth. So he set up IFEES to show Muslims the core teachings of the Koran that convey an environmentalist ethic.

"Using faith-based approaches can prove to be a positive way forward, and indeed has the potential to gain far-reaching benefits rather than staying confined to a conventionally science-based approach," says McKay.

It would be silly to downplay the environmental crisis we are facing. But in order to solve it, conservationists may need to harness the power of hope and optimism, just as the world's religions do.

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Yeah.....Religions can play a major part in conservation by emphasizing the right teachings so as to appeal to the local people.....instead of a purely science approach.

Cheers.

Sriram

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Re: Religion and environment
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 12:24:57 PM »
Hi everyone,

Religion can make us more environment friendly...this BBC article says.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170206-religion-can-make-us-more-environmentally-friendly-or-not

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Eight out of 10 people around the world consider themselves religious. That figure shows that...

What does that mean for the environmental movement? Does a belief in God or the supernatural make people more or less likely to take care of animals and the environment?

..historian Lynn White proposed that Christian religions undermine wildlife conservation by advocating a domination ethic over nature

Other historians and theologians have argued that White was misreading the Bible, and that the text actually implies that we have a duty of care towards nature.

...researchers tackled that question by asking whether there was a relationship between a country's main religion and the number of important biodiversity areas it contained. They found that Christian countries, particularly Catholic ones, tended to have more areas set aside for nature than other countries.

However, this does not mean White was completely wrong. Other studies suggest that conservative Christians really are less environmentally friendly than other denominations.

Andrew Greeley looked at how much Americans were willing to spend on conserving the environment. He found that Christian fundamentalists were less willing, and Catholics more willing, to financially support the environment. This suggests that it is not whether a person is Christian, but rather what type of Christian they are, that influences their behaviour towards nature.

...conflicts between opposing faiths could influence how people feel about protected areas. In particular, a shift away from more traditional faiths could be bad for nature.

...who had converted from a traditional faith to become evangelical Christians had a higher intent to kill lions than those that kept their traditional faith. "These converted Protestants did not have very positive attitudes towards national parks or wildlife either," says Hazzah.

The more often a Buddhist undertook religious activities, the more likely it was that they had a more positive attitude towards wolves and snow leopards. In other words, the link between Buddhism and pro-environment attitudes was only apparent for the more deeply religious Buddhists.

 conservationists need to integrate their ideas into religious thinking. "Religions, and certainly the versions of Islam and Buddhism that we have studied, seem to have well-developed philosophies towards nature and wildlife," says Bhatia. "Religious practitioners and leaders therefore have a potentially important role in conserving nature."

...they showed the sheikhs passages in the Koran that promote pro-environmental behaviour, and told them that dynamite fishing goes against these teachings. The sheikhs spread the information to their community and, as devout Muslims, the fishermen listened.

...he also noticed that Muslims had lost their connection with nature, because like so many other people they had become preoccupied with wealth. So he set up IFEES to show Muslims the core teachings of the Koran that convey an environmentalist ethic.

"Using faith-based approaches can prove to be a positive way forward, and indeed has the potential to gain far-reaching benefits rather than staying confined to a conventionally science-based approach," says McKay.

It would be silly to downplay the environmental crisis we are facing. But in order to solve it, conservationists may need to harness the power of hope and optimism, just as the world's religions do.

*************

Yeah.....Religions can play a major part in conservation by emphasising the right teachings so as to appeal to the local people.....instead of a purely science approach.

Cheers.

Sriram

Sriram you're in for a drubbing on this one; I'll only mention that the BBC has a Religion & Ethics Department that is based in Manchester and is financed to the tune of £10 million a year plus its film and specials program making combined that often very nearly doubles its budget.

All the moral and the ethical subjects are, as you would expect, go out to air via this R & E department and unfortunately this is inclined to sway its direction on what and how the BBC presents anything in these areas.

The BBC presents some very good programming on these subjects, which is fine by me and that's how it should be for the 49% of people with religious beliefs and still actually believe that stuff, alternately they should also be representing the 51% of people that don't have these beliefs; they do represent non-believers without rushing to do so, but that's another story.

Having said the above, it's hardly a surprise the article you've put forward in your O P was presented by the BBC, since they are already so heavily invested into this kind of subject.

ippy

P S The percentages mentioned above apply to the U K. 
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Re: Religion and environment
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2017, 03:19:02 PM »
Either there is a rational case for saving the environment or there isn't. Religion seems irrelevant, though obviously it might help some people to take action if they already inclined towards it.
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Re: Religion and environment
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2017, 03:20:39 PM »
Either there is a rational case for saving the environment or there isn't. Religion seems irrelevant, though obviously it might help some people to take action if they already inclined towards it.
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2017, 03:48:25 PM »
I don't think religion has anything to do with the environment. There are a lot of religious people in America, for instance, who are opposed to environmental policies, which are supposed help prevent global warming.

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Re: Religion and environment
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2017, 04:00:24 PM »
I think the problem with this article is that it identifies a correlation between conservation areas and Christianity, ignoring all the other factors that might have an impact. It's an oversimplification to an extent, but Christianity is prevalent in broadly two types of state: rich Western democracies, and the extremely poor former colonies of those Western democracies; conservation areas are the preserve (forgive the pun) of those rich western states, and thus their prevalence is plausibly correlated with it, rather than caused by it.

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Re: Religion and environment
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2017, 04:59:17 PM »
I think the problem with this article is that it identifies a correlation between conservation areas and Christianity, ignoring all the other factors that might have an impact. It's an oversimplification to an extent, but Christianity is prevalent in broadly two types of state: rich Western democracies, and the extremely poor former colonies of those Western democracies; conservation areas are the preserve (forgive the pun) of those rich western states, and thus their prevalence is plausibly correlated with it, rather than caused by it.

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Well I never, the BBC fawning over religion, that's the main reason why this article put out by the BBC, is so pukey, what do you expect?

Blame the BBC more than Sriram, although Sriram introduced us to this yucky article so typical of the Beeb.

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Re: Religion and environment
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2017, 05:02:57 AM »


The author is trying to identify whether religions have any influence on conservation. He finds that it cannot be generalized and that lot depends on how seriously people take their religion and also which aspects of their religious teachings are practiced in that group. 

If certain teachings are highlighted, people do tend to be more environment friendly. That is the point.

So...he recommends that religions can be used to make local people environment friendly by highlighting the relevant passages in their religious texts. He is probably right.

That is all this is about.   

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Re: Religion and environment
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2017, 08:25:08 AM »
So...he recommends that religions can be used to make local people environment friendly by highlighting the relevant passages in their religious texts. He is probably right.

Yes, if people are in thrall to a primitive superstition with ambiguous texts, then you may be able to use it to make them more environmentally friendly.

If you're good at that sort of manipulation, you can probably make at least some of them do pretty much anything you want. That's one of the problems with evidence free, faith based beliefs...
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Re: Religion and environment
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2017, 08:36:15 AM »

The author is trying to identify whether religions have any influence on conservation. He finds that it cannot be generalized and that lot depends on how seriously people take their religion and also which aspects of their religious teachings are practiced in that group. 

If certain teachings are highlighted, people do tend to be more environment friendly. That is the point.

So...he recommends that religions can be used to make local people environment friendly by highlighting the relevant passages in their religious texts. He is probably right.

That is all this is about.

Would it not be more effective to simply provide information to people regarding the likes of recycling or conserving power and emphasising the practical steps people can take - religious beliefs surely are irrelevant here: much more important to remember to turn off lights when not required or to put stuff in the correct bins for disposal.

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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2017, 09:23:16 AM »
Agreed

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Re: Religion and environment
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2017, 02:46:06 PM »
Would it not be more effective to simply provide information to people regarding the likes of recycling or conserving power and emphasising the practical steps people can take - religious beliefs surely are irrelevant here: much more important to remember to turn off lights when not required or to put stuff in the correct bins for disposal.


He is talking about tribals, fishermen, huntsmen, villagers, rural folk and so on in poorer countries.

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Re: Religion and environment
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2017, 02:55:02 PM »

He is talking about tribals, fishermen, huntsmen, villagers, rural folk and so on in poorer countries.

Even so, surely stuff can be explained to them without invoking their local religious superstitions.

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Re: Religion and environment
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2017, 04:20:13 PM »
Even so, surely stuff can be explained to them without invoking their local religious superstitions.



It has nothing to do with superstition. He is only suggesting that religious authority and teachings relevant to conservation be used appropriately to enforce compliance.

That is the problem with habitual skepticism. You can't stop even in reasonable matters.

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2017, 04:31:17 PM »
It has nothing to do with superstition. He is only suggesting that religious authority and teachings relevant to conservation be used appropriately to enforce compliance.

Religion is superstition.
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2017, 05:06:42 PM »


It has nothing to do with superstition. He is only suggesting that religious authority and teachings relevant to conservation be used appropriately to enforce compliance.

That is the problem with habitual skepticism. You can't stop even in reasonable matters.

When it comes to practical actions involving environmental matters such, as recycling or reducing energy consumption, there is nothing 'reasonable' about invoking religious superstitions - far better to educate people so that they understand the reasons why actions are needed and the value of steps they can take themselves rather than encouraging their dependence on irrelevant religious superstitions.

Recycling is such a practicality provided it is supported by both education and relevant waste disposal arrangements, as is he case where I live - the divine is utterly irrelevant.