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Keith Maitland

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The Pollyannism of Richard Dawkins
« on: February 28, 2017, 07:41:58 PM »
Richard Dawkins, probably the world’s best known scientist, on the suffering of the world:


"The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference."


Powerful words, worthy of Ecclesiastes, Schopenhauer, Cioran and all of the other great sages of darkness. And, of course, to those who aren’t blinkered, all perfectly true. The only quibble, and a notable one, is the limiting of the description to the natural world. Anyone who doesn’t have their head in the sand and even glances only occasionally at a newspaper or news channel sees that the above applies equally, if not more so, to the human world. 

Given such a horrible picture it would appear obvious and eminently rational that one would react with horror, distress and disgust at such a tapestry of misery and suffering. After all, who would embrace such an existence or world if they were offered it beforehand, or even affirm its worth finding themselves thrown into it? Given that Professor Dawkins prides himself on his rationality and his tireless combat against what he perceives to be mindless superstitions, we would be justified in expecting a reaction of horror and outrage. But no; instead we get this:


"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton.”

And this:

"We as individuals are still hugely blessed. Privileged, and not just privileged to enjoy our planet. More, we are granted the opportunity to understand why our eyes are open, and why they see what they do, in the short time before they close for ever.”

And then the poetry:

"After sleeping through a hundred million centuries we have finally opened our eyes on a sumptuous planet, sparkling with colour, bountiful with life. Within decades we must close our eyes again. Isn't it a noble, an enlightened way of spending our brief time in the sun, to work at understanding the universe and how we have come to wake up in it? This is how I answer when I am asked -- as I am surprisingly often -- why I bother to get up in the mornings. To put it the other way round, isn't it sad to go to your grave without ever wondering why you were born? Who, with such a thought, would not spring from bed, eager to resume discovering the world and rejoicing to be a part of it?”


Hmmmm, hard to see how such celebrations of life follow from the first quotation. Let’s try a little experiment here: given that scientists such as Dawkins are always espousing the values of consistency, logic, the banishing of subjective emotions from the judgement process, the condemnation of religion as being no more than wish-fulfilment and so on, it shouldn’t be unreasonable to mix and match Dawkins’s statements and expect a coherent whole to emerge. Here we are:


I tried to convey how lucky we are to be alive, given that the vast majority of people who could potentially be thrown up by the combinatorial lottery of DNA will in fact never be born. For those of us lucky enough to be here, we live in a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, where some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. After sleeping through a hundred million centuries we have finally opened our eyes on a sumptuous planet, sparkling with colour, bountiful with life: during the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. Isn't it sad to go to your grave without ever wondering why you were born? We as individuals are still hugely blessed. Privileged, and not just privileged to enjoy our planet. More, we are granted the opportunity to understand why our eyes are open, and why they see what they do, in the short time before they close for ever, namely that the universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference. Who, with such a thought, would not spring from bed, eager to resume discovering the world and rejoicing to be a part of a universe where the total amount of suffering per year in that world is beyond all decent contemplation?


A friend sent me this note yesterday.


"I applaud Dawkins' efforts to address the superstitious heritage most of the world still labors under, but I find his inquiry into the existential problem we face hopelessly one-dimensional and inadequate in the extreme.... We are not lucky for having been born. Existing is a regrettable fact. However, having been born, we have all acquired a vested interest in our continued existence; as such, we have to make the best of it, hence Anarchism, atheism, chocolate chip cookies, the breeze on a hot summer day, the joy of discovery, and so on. I am not downplaying these things: they are very important to us, and for good reasons. The fatal mistake (no pun intended) is to confuse the palliative measures with the regrettable fact that they attempt to palliate. It’s as much a stupid mistake as confusing an aspirin pill with the concept of a headache."

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Re: The Pollyannism of Richard Dawkins
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2017, 02:12:26 AM »
Why the dishonest verbal switching? 

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Re: The Pollyannism of Richard Dawkins
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2017, 07:49:53 AM »
Richard Dawkins, probably the world’s best known scientist ...
I never got beyond this, and the notion that Dawkins is 'probably the world's best know scientist' is simply non-sense. Now I presume you mean 'living' as I think Dawkins would come close to being more famous than Einstein or Newton for example.

But even in the more restricted pool of living scientists, Dawkins surely doesn't come close to the following at the very least:

Stephen Hawking
Tim Berners Lee
James Watson

To name just 3 in totally separate areas.

Further I'd argue that Dawkins is (was) a scientist who became famous for non-science stuff. While he was fairly well known when just being a scientist (or rather a person who popularised science - selfish gene etc), his recognition shifted a gear when he moved beyond scientific discourse.

And in that company - people whose fame isn't really the science itself but its popularisation and more, then he's not really in the same category as David Attenborough, or even Brian Cox in terms of fame.

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Re: The Pollyannism of Richard Dawkins
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2017, 11:20:57 AM »
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Given such a horrible picture it would appear obvious and eminently rational that one would react with horror, distress and disgust at such a tapestry of misery and suffering. After all, who would embrace such an existence or world if they were offered it beforehand, or even affirm its worth finding themselves thrown into it? Given that Professor Dawkins prides himself on his rationality and his tireless combat against what he perceives to be mindless superstitions, we would be justified in expecting a reaction of horror and outrage. But no; instead we get this:


"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton.”
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But given that: "The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference." does it matter that Dawkins then ignores this and spouts off bollocks and poetry to cheer himself up?

It is the "truth that sets you free". The very meaninglessness, indeed the determined pointlessness, frees you to feel, believe, be and act whoever or however you choose.

Like it, lump it or burn it down.. it doesn't matter.

Isn't this the starting point for nihilism, Nietzsche and the existentialists?   
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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Re: The Pollyannism of Richard Dawkins
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2017, 12:59:27 PM »
But given that: "The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference." does it matter that Dawkins then ignores this and spouts off bollocks and poetry to cheer himself up?

It is the "truth that sets you free". The very meaninglessness, indeed the determined pointlessness, frees you to feel, believe, be and act whoever or however you choose.

Like it, lump it or burn it down.. it doesn't matter.

Isn't this the starting point for nihilism, Nietzsche and the existentialists?


I guess so. And Dawkins or anyone else can spout whatever they like, optimism or pessimism, if there's no final reckoning.