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Bubbles

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Jersey and Guernsey
« on: April 09, 2017, 08:47:24 PM »
What is it about Jersey and Guernsey that stops it being disputed like the Falklands or Gibraltar?

It is quite close to France?

 

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Re: Jersey and Guernsey
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2017, 06:06:16 AM »
The Channel Islands are the remaining part of the Duchy of Normandy which was lost by King John in 1204. The Treaty of Paris in (I think) 1256 establishes their ownership by the English crown. As such, they owe their loyalty to the queen not as monarch of the United Kingdom but as the Duke of Normandy. Their relationship with the English and subsequently British monarchy has never been in question. The islands, however, are not part of the United Kingdom.

The Battle of Jersey in 1781 was a skirmish in the American Revolution by proxy, in which a French force attempted to prevent Jersey being used as a base for British privateers who were attacking vessels taking supplies from France to the American revolutionaries.

Two groups of rocky islets and reefs, the Ecrehous, to the NE of Jersey, and the Minquiers - or Minkies - between Jersey and St Malo, were determined to be part of the Channel Islands by the International Court of Justice in about 1954. This does not prevent the occasional French nutter from erecting the Tricolor on one or other of these islands. His territorial occupancy usually lasts just a few hours.
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Re: Jersey and Guernsey
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2017, 10:33:39 AM »
The Bailiwicks of Guernsey and Jersey  are Crown Dependencies like the Isle of Man.


This is true, Floo. Rose was not asking what is their constitutional arrangement, but why they could not be threatened with takeover by France, given their proximity to the French coast.
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Re: Jersey and Guernsey
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2017, 10:36:28 AM »
This is true, Floo. Rose was not asking what is their constitutional arrangement, but why they could not be threatened with takeover by France, given their proximity to the French coast.

I suspect they are seen as less controversial since, though they are close to France, they are in the sea between the UK and France, whereas for Gibraltar and the Falklands there is no propinquity.

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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2017, 11:08:10 AM »
I suspect they are seen as less controversial since, though they are close to France, they are in the sea between the UK and France, whereas for Gibraltar and the Falklands there is no propinquity.

And France doesn't seem to need a bit of patriotic flag-waving to distract from other shit in the way that both Spain and Argentina and of course the British government might.

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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2017, 11:08:36 AM »
France has never appeared to show any interest in annexing them. Going to war with Britain over their ownership is probably not a prospect France relished.

Indeed. And every time I am in Jersey, I see parties of French schoolchildren having an exotic away day. They wouldn't be able to do this if the island were French. It gives the children the opportunity to experience a different culture and still be home in time for bed ...
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2017, 11:12:32 AM »
And France doesn't seem to need a bit of patriotic flag-waving to distract from other shit in the way that both Spain and Argentina and of course the British government might.

France does the patriotic flag waving inside France, instead. How else to explain the apparent success of Marine Le Pen?
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