Is it loving to warn people about Hell?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

People should examine why they are so exercised by hell, judgment or God even.

“People” aren’t. What people are actually “exercised” by is fuckwits terrifying vulnerable people, children in particular, with ludicrous scare stories about these claims that they cannot know to be true.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

“People” aren’t. What people are actually “exercised” by is fuckwits terrifying vulnerable people, children in particular, with ludicrous scare stories about these claims that they cannot know to be true.

I've never come across that. Adult thinkers who gate contemplation of the possibility of living the damnable life definitely are exercised by it.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

I've never come across that.

Then you need to get out more. Religious educational establishments in particular were historically notorious for it. 

Adult thinkers who gate contemplation of the possibility of living the damnable life definitely are exercised by it.

And for those of us working in English?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

Then you need to get out more. Religious educational establishments in particular were historically notorious for it. 

Really? Then they had a wider curriculum than the National Curriculum and pedagogical approach as espoused by Woodhead, a secularist whose approach has lead to some bizarre understandings of politics, society religion and indeed science.

[Sassy]

Sasy,

Because sometimes the "someone" doesn't have the critical faculties to realise that the claim is nonsense – a child for example.

But they have the ability not to believe in God?
If you do not believe in God, why would you fear hell?

Did you fear hell as a child or as an adult?
Did you believe in God?
Children do not have to fear hell. 
Ignorance breeds fear.  Don't mark all churches the same as Roman Catholic with the fear of hell etc.

Sometimes, people just do not know how to evaluate the Love of God or the Love from God for others.

If in life we want the best for our children we teach them the truth.

[BeRational]

But they have the ability not to believe in God?
If you do not believe in God, why would you fear hell?

Did you fear hell as a child or as an adult?
Did you believe in God?
Children do not have to fear hell. 
Ignorance breeds fear.  Don't mark all churches the same as Roman Catholic with the fear of hell etc.

Sometimes, people just do not know how to evaluate the Love of God or the Love from God for others.

If in life we want the best for our children we teach them the truth.

Quite right, but you cannot know that it is true that any god exists!

So don't tell children that a god exists.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Quite right, but you cannot know that it is true that any god exists!

No theory can conjur God up.
You have to experience God. Just being told God is real is not enough.
One way not to acknowledge God involves recasting yourself as the ultimate electric bonobo.

[floo]

But they have the ability not to believe in God?
If you do not believe in God, why would you fear hell?

Did you fear hell as a child or as an adult?
Did you believe in God?
Children do not have to fear hell. 
Ignorance breeds fear.  Don't mark all churches the same as Roman Catholic with the fear of hell etc.

Sometimes, people just do not know how to evaluate the Love of God or the Love from God for others.

If in life we want the best for our children we teach them the truth.

There is no verifiable 'truth ' where religion is concerned.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

No theory can conjur God up.

It's actually a conjecture or a speculation rather than a theory, and yes it can. Look, I'll show you...

...here's my conjecture: "God".

See? I just did it.

Tell you what, I'll even do it again for you...

...here's my conjecture: leprechauns.

Easy innit when you don't have to trouble yourself with logic or evidence.

You have to experience God.

Or really, really think you've "experienced God". And there have been countless such beliefs in all sorts of supernatural conjectures, many held just as strongly as you hold you own. 

Just being told God is real is not enough.

So why, if it's not enough, is that all you have to bring to the table?

One way not to acknowledge God involves recasting yourself as the ultimate electric bonobo.

Another is to realise that "not to acknowledge God" is just the fallacy of reification again - a very bad argument. You have to demonstrate this "God" before you accuse people of failing to acknowledge it.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

It's actually a conjecture or a speculation rather than a theory, and yes it can. Look, I'll show you...

...here's my conjecture: "God".

See? I just did it.

Well your conclusion is certainly true if you alter key words, ideas and jumble the letters up.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

It's actually a conjecture or a speculation rather than a theory, and yes it can. Look, I'll show you...

...here's my conjecture: "God".

See? I just did it.

Tell you what, I'll even do it again for you...

...here's my conjecture: leprechauns.

Bang, glitter, whizz............
Hillside, you are straight through to the semi final.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

Well your conclusion is certainly true if you alter key words, ideas and jumble the letters up.

Nope - the conclusions may be different, but the argument by assertion that gets you to eiher is identical.

That's the point.

Bang, glitter, whizz............
Hillside, you are straight through to the semi final.

But sadly you on the other hand didn't make it even to the audition.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

But sadly you on the other hand didn't make it even to the audition.

I'm afraid i'm both Ant and Dec to your Stephen Mulhearn.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

I'm afraid i'm both Ant and Dec...

Antiquated Declamations?

Yours,

S. Cowell