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SusanDoris

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Poor parenting
« on: September 11, 2017, 03:17:30 PM »
Today's parents in the news definitely need a lesson in parenting I think. Nigel and Sally Row, on the IoW, are going to educate their two children at home - excuse me, while heart sinks to boots - because the CofE school the children have been attending allowed a boy to wear a dress.

The fact that their son was, as they said, 'confused' indicates that they have already indoctrinated their children into a belief that God only wants entirely heterosexual girls and boys.
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Re: Poor parenting
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 03:25:16 PM »
Oh no, not another Christian couple who are narrow-minded and want the world to revolve around them.   I suppose first it was gay marriage, and we would all end up marrying our dogs, now its transgender kids, and their kids are all confused and upset.   Why does it take some Christians so long to accept the modern world?   Maybe they are time travellers from the medieval period.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-41224146
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2017, 03:33:05 PM »
I read one of the articles on the internet and they are going to complain that the school should follow biblical teaching or something. I can only shake my head and sigh deeply.
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2017, 05:01:40 PM »
I always wonder why boy to girl seems to make (some) people very anxious, whereas girl to boy, doesn't.  I mean girls wearing trousers and boys' shirts seems OK, whereas boys wearing skirts and blouses gets people agitated.   The old idea was that masculinity is fragile, and any divergence is abhorrent, but I have no idea.
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2017, 05:39:57 PM »
What does it say about Scotland and Greece, where even members of the military wear skirts?

I heard the parents being interviewed on (I think) the Today programme.  My thoughts were that while they may have absorbed some of the Abrahamic religions' distrust of of anything vaguely sexual, they appeared to be devoid of any of the compassion implied in the Sermon on the Mount. But then, they do claim to be Christians!

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2017, 05:50:56 PM »
What does it say about Scotland and Greece, where even members of the military wear skirts?

I heard the parents being interviewed on (I think) the Today programme.  My thoughts were that while they may have absorbed some of the Abrahamic religions' distrust of of anything vaguely sexual, they appeared to be devoid of any of the compassion implied in the Sermon on the Mount. But then, they do claim to be Christians!

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Yes, I heard them on Today too. Their smug self-satisfaction in their assumed knowledge that they are in the right really annoyed me. Their son will now be touted around on the news and social media, making him a subject of public debate, and that is totally unfair to any child.

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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2017, 06:01:02 PM »
My impression, and of course I may have the wrong impression, is that this is very much about the parents since they seemingly removed their elder child for similar reasons, and the BBC article notes: 'The Rowes say the suggestion that gender is fluid conflicts with their Christian beliefs and they are seeking a legal challenge against the school's actions.' and given the current publicity, which I understand saw them giving a TV interview and have the support of the Christian Legal Centre, they clearly don't see this as a private matter. 

In my experience (and I have some) 6 year old children are easily confused and aren't able to handle issues like gender and, say, death but I'd imagine most parents find ways to provide appropriate age-related reassurance: I'd imagine many parents will do this, say, when the hamster bought for a birthday present decides to expire after less than a week. Perhaps they never thought of this approach before making what should have been a private family matter between themselves and the school into a public one involving their religious allegiance, which is perhaps the downside of having schools with a defined religious ethos.

Will follow events with interest.

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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2017, 12:05:30 AM »
This would conflict with my belief in 'Star Trek' and I would have to remove my youngsters from that school for similar reasons.

I also think of a Pixie believing contributor, I'm not naming mames, to the forum that would feel compelled to do much the same for similar reasons, equally as sensible as mine.

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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2017, 05:46:09 AM »
I read about this. I think they're wrong but not smug, just small minded.
Must admit I've never before heard of a six year old transgender child. Might like dressing up, yes, but not transgender.  I live and learn.

Just caught this on MSN after logging out of email: http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/parents-defend-removing-child-6-from-school-because-of-transgender-pupil/ar-AArHEjQ?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

I also looked up:- 0.7 percent of children are transgender.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2017, 06:12:53 AM »
I read about this. I think they're wrong but not smug, just small minded.
Must admit I've never before heard of a six year old transgender child. Might like dressing up, yes, but not transgender.  I live and learn.
I don't know about small-minded, I think they are thoughtless and silly jumping on to the multi-media, let's-be-interviewed-by-the-BBC  etc bandwagon, drawing far too much attention to themselves. I would be astonished if those children's home schooling included any kind of critical thinking, or any understanding of what and why people believe, and presumably social contact with other children will be through the restricted group from their church. Yes, I'm jumping to conclusions, but we have seen so much of this sort of thing in recent years.

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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2017, 08:08:17 AM »

I note with some concern that no mention is made of the parent's having any qualifications in the field of teaching.

I am far too old to remember what subjects are taught to six-year olds or, if their older child is still being home-taught, older children. Are they capable of teaching to GCSE standard?
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2017, 08:29:29 AM »
My middle daughter home schools her two lads, 15 and 13, although she has no qualifications in education. The older boy took his GCSEs from the age of 14 and has high grades in all of them. The boys have tutors in subjects our girl isn't competent in. The younger boy is now starting his GCSE course, he is doing one in astronomy.

I home schooled our Down's Syndrome son as we weren't happy with the special school in the area in which we were then living. I invited the school inspectors in to check on my progress, they were most complimentary. :)

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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2017, 08:40:11 AM »

My middle daughter home schools her two lads, 15 and 13, although she has no qualifications in education. The older boy took his GCSEs from the age of 14 and has high grades in all of them. The boys have tutors in subjects our girl isn't competent in. The younger boy is now starting his GCSE course, he is doing one in astronomy.

I home schooled our Down's Syndrome son as we weren't happy with the special school in the area in which we were then living. I invited the school inspectors in to check on my progress, they were most complimentary. :)


With all due respect to you for what you have accomplished, Floo, but where did I mention "any or all home-schooling parents"?

I asked about the Rowes - no-one else - they do not mention tutors anywhere - they say THEY are home-schooling!
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2017, 08:51:40 AM »
With all due respect to you for what you have accomplished, Floo, but where did I mention "any or all home-schooling parents"?

I asked about the Rowes - no-one else - they do not mention tutors anywhere - they say THEY are home-schooling!

I would have thought the question you asked about the Rowes could apply to all home schoolers.

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2017, 09:11:44 AM »

I would have thought the question you asked about the Rowes could apply to all home schoolers.


It could/might if they were all making national media broadcasts to garner national coverage of their reasons for so doing - you quite clearly, and most others, from the paucity of media coverage of them, did and do not.
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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2017, 09:22:39 AM »

I would have thought the question you asked about the Rowes could apply to all home schoolers.


PS to #14

Plus which, and so obvious I forgot to mention it - your reasons for home-schooling were not religious bigotry against (possible) transsexual children who might not be transsexual but children who have expressed a preference for, some, not necessarily all, female clothing on the basis of taste not sexuality, considering the ages of the children involved in this incident, - i e transvestite not transsexual.
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2017, 09:43:07 AM »
It is very easy to home ed these days with the resources available, parents don't need to teach, just supervise. The worry is the reason why they want to home ed, which appears to be a desire to isolate there children from anything that doesn't conform to their narrow view of Christianity - a view not shared by the CofE, which is good.

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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2017, 10:47:40 AM »
It is very easy to home ed these days with the resources available, parents don't need to teach, just supervise. The worry is the reason why they want to home ed, which appears to be a desire to isolate there children from anything that doesn't conform to their narrow view of Christianity - a view not shared by the CofE, which is good.

That might be true for some parents but definitely not all.

My daughter and her husband thought long and hard about taking their boys out of school as they realised what an onerous task it would be to ensure both lads got the best education. In the end they decided home schooling was best for their boys as school hadn't worked for them. The eldest has Asperger's syndrome and also suffers from anxiety syndrome, the younger lad has atypical dyslexia. Both boys are doing so much better since being take out of school. They have a wide circle of friends and many extracurricular activities in which they take part.





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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2017, 10:58:04 AM »
It is very easy to home ed these days with the resources available, parents don't need to teach, just supervise. The worry is the reason why they want to home ed, which appears to be a desire to isolate there children from anything that doesn't conform to their narrow view of Christianity - a view not shared by the CofE, which is good.
Well said. If the parents were not as they evidently are, they would  not have already instilled into their children a doctrine which is bigoted and irrational, plus whatever other adjecftive fits in here. The present problem has been built in from their children's birth one can only assume.
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2017, 11:00:23 AM »
That might be true for some parents but definitely not all.

My daughter and her husband thought long and hard about taking their boys out of school as they realised what an onerous task it would be to ensure both lads got the best education. In the end they decided home schooling was best for their boys as school hadn't worked for them. The eldest has Asperger's syndrome and also suffers from anxiety syndrome, the younger lad has atypical dyslexia. Both boys are doing so much better since being take out of school. They have a wide circle of friends and many extracurricular activities in which they take part.

I don't understand why you think I am critical of home ed. All I said was that it is possible even for unqualified parents to deliver a good standard of education because of the resources that are available now through online providers.

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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2017, 11:01:28 AM »

That might be true for some parents but definitely not all.

My daughter and her husband thought long and hard about taking their boys out of school as they realised what an onerous task it would be to ensure both lads got the best education. In the end they decided home schooling was best for their boys as school hadn't worked for them. The eldest has Asperger's syndrome and also suffers from anxiety syndrome, the younger lad has atypical dyslexia. Both boys are doing so much better since being take out of school. They have a wide circle of friends and many extracurricular activities in which they take part.


Once again I must point out just how different your reasons are from those of these two idiots who are the subject of this thread which, at base, is the fact that the removal of their children is their religious opinions.

Yours have/had a far more understandable reason which, although you do not say so, would appear to be that the school did not have the kind of resources needed to give the personal attention that the boys difficulties demanded for them to reach there poitential.

I truly cannot see any correlation whatsoever between your case and the Rowes.

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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2017, 11:04:15 AM »
I don't understand why you think I am critical of home ed. All I said was that it is possible even for unqualified parents to deliver a good standard of education because of the resources that are available now through online providers.

I was replying to your post about some parents wanting to keep their children separate because of their faith.
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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2017, 11:06:47 AM »
I was replying to you post about some parents wanting to keep their children separate because of their faith.

Yes but I didn't say that I thought all parents did that. Owlswing raised his concern about the Rowe's qualifications. My point was that the issue is more their motivation as delivering a good ediucation isn't hard. I wasn't generalising.


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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2017, 11:53:47 AM »
I have the greatest respect for home educators and now it is easier than ever, with home schooling networks.

However, floo, you have missed the point. Those of your family who home ed have little or nothing in common with the Rowe family, you went off at a tangent I'm afraid and your posts are not relevant to thread. I don't expect you to understand that.  No offence, just fact.
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