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Walt Zingmatilder

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Smart Motorways
« on: January 23, 2018, 08:11:18 AM »
Smart motorways or A roads manqué?
Technowonk on BBC breakfast peddling line Smart Motorways have more technology on them so they must be good.
Technically all such roads should be redesignated as A roads as the number of motorways is effectively being cut.
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Re: Smart Motorways
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2018, 08:16:38 AM »
Smart until it all goes wrong! :o

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Re: Smart Motorways
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2018, 08:43:32 AM »
The M5 between Bromsgrove and Worcester, I think, is a case worth considering. The hard shoulder has been transformed into a fourth lane. There are stopping points at 1km intervals.

My opinion is that hard shoulders have been a defining point of motorways and a significant contribution to safety. Sooner or later there is going to be a major incident due to the absence of a specific emergency stopping lane. When it happens, watch the hand wringing ...
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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Smart Motorways
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2018, 09:33:59 AM »
The smart motorways are a social Darwinian metaphor for Conservative Britain.

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Re: Smart Motorways
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2018, 09:46:37 AM »
The smart motorways are a social Darwinian metaphor for Conservative Britain.

It really isn't.

However, I do think we should be concentrating more on making drivers smarter - see the Daily Mirror headline this morning.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/driver-caught-doing-60mph-both-11896876
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Smart Motorways
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2018, 10:10:51 AM »
Think of it though. The government are definition riddling here. Roads without hard shoulders were A roads I can think of a long stretch of Motorway at Swansea where the inside lane was designated as the A road.
Of course properly designating roads as A roads would mean that the government has cut back on motorways. So for political expedience for the car loving electorate they are now Smart motorways.

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Re: Smart Motorways
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2018, 11:07:49 AM »
No disagreement there - just not seeing it as a metaphor in the way you described it. 

Are you trying to draw an equivalence between political expediency and social Darwinism?

Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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Re: Smart Motorways
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2018, 11:14:07 AM »
No disagreement there - just not seeing it as a metaphor in the way you described it. 

Are you trying to draw an equivalence between political expediency and social Darwinism?
Not really but it's come to something when calling an A road an A road is political suicide whereas turning a road into some kind of death race is not.

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Re: Smart Motorways
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2018, 06:09:27 PM »
The defining feature of a motorway is not the hard shoulder. There are A roads with hard shoulders and now motorways without some of the time (bad move IMO).

Amongst other defining features are

- the restrictions on the types of vehicles allowed
- the fact that you have to hold a full driving licence to use them
- only access is by slip road
- no stopping
- no pedestrians or animals (e.g. horses)

Also motorway construction has different standards. For example there is a lower maximum gradient and a larger minimum radius for a curve.
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