Author Topic: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??  (Read 5248 times)

Grace of God

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2018, 06:22:55 PM »
As a new member, you well not be aware of how restricted SD's sight is. I suggest that rather than attempting to use a typo in this circumstance to distract from your own misuse of the term, you maybe expand more clearly on what you were trying to say.

perhaps people should be aware before they throw grammar nazi comments in... to try and look clever..
John 3:16 the best news you will ever hear....

Nearly Sane

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 64303
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2018, 06:24:26 PM »
perhaps people should be aware before they throw grammar nazi comments in... to try and look clever..
Pointing out that your post made no sense isn't being a grammar Nazi. You seem very confused.

Grace of God

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2018, 06:27:57 PM »
Pointing out that your post made no sense isn't being a grammar Nazi. You seem very confused.

no the poster pointed out i used effect rather than affect, yet they understood perfectly what I meant...
John 3:16 the best news you will ever hear....

Nearly Sane

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 64303
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2018, 06:29:50 PM »
no the poster pointed out i used effect rather than affect, yet they understood perfectly what I meant...
I suggest you reread the post. It points out that neither word makes sense contextually.

Stranger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8236
  • Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2018, 06:34:50 PM »
which version of evolution do you claim is true, that's what i asked...

You're doing a lot of asking and not much answering.

...do you support the idea of slow change over a great period of time, or perhaps punctuated equilibrium or a mix of both, perhaps all out darwinian...

How is an answer to that going to affect your answer to #8? Do you think one of these 'versions' (or more) is right?

I suggest you start with the basics of natural selection. However, since you didn't even seem to understand that evolution wasn't about the start of life, I have no confidence at all that you have any understanding of it at all...
x(∅ ∈ x ∧ ∀y(yxy ∪ {y} ∈ x))

Maeght

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5679
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2018, 06:47:52 PM »
which version do you claim is true...

I make no truth claims, that is religious speak.

That evolution has happened is a fact supported by a huge amount of evidence.The process or processes by which that has happened continue to be investigated by science. Natural selection is the main factor but evolution is likely to be effected by  other factors. I accept evolution by natural selection as a valid theory to explain the huge variety of species on this planet. If evidence comes up to invalidate that I will accept it. That's how science works.

Grace of God

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2018, 06:49:32 PM »
You're doing a lot of asking and not much answering.

How is an answer to that going to affect your answer to #8? Do you think one of these 'versions' (or more) is right?

I suggest you start with the basics of natural selection. However, since you didn't even seem to understand that evolution wasn't about the start of life, I have no confidence at all that you have any understanding of it at all...

well if they claim evolution is absolute fact, I need to know which version they believe to be true otherwise i would have to generalise..

if you don't know what you believe that's fine... you don't have to answer..

yes I know evolution is not about the beginning of life, just as well as it would make even less sense but you would have thought there would have been a logic way to backward engineer evolution to the beginning, if it were true of course...
John 3:16 the best news you will ever hear....

Maeght

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5679
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2018, 06:56:40 PM »
well if they claim evolution is absolute fact, I need to know which version they believe to be true otherwise i would have to generalise..

That species have evolved is a fact. You are asking about the process by which that happened

Quote
Yes I know evolution is not about the beginning of life, just as well as it would make even less sense but you would have thought there would have been a logic way to backward engineer evolution to the beginning, if it were true of course...

No readon why there should be. This is a common tactic of YECs to try to link the two processes.

Grace of God

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2018, 07:01:19 PM »
That species have evolved is a fact. You are asking about the process by which that happened

No readon why there should be. This is a common tactic of YECs to try to link the two processes.

species have changed, developed yes...

yec???
John 3:16 the best news you will ever hear....

Maeght

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5679
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2018, 07:03:40 PM »
species have changed, developed yes...

So you accept evolution has happened.

Quote
yec???

What?

Grace of God

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2018, 07:05:59 PM »
So you accept evolution has happened.

What?

what does YEC's mean....
John 3:16 the best news you will ever hear....

Maeght

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5679
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2018, 07:09:36 PM »
what does YEC's mean....

Young Earth Creationist.

Stranger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8236
  • Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2018, 07:12:00 PM »
well if they claim evolution is absolute fact, I need to know which version they believe to be true otherwise i would have to generalise..

Evolution is an observed fact. The theory of evolution is an explanation of that fact. The various options you spoke of change very little and aren't really competing versions of the theory but disagreements over detail - so feel free to generalise as much as you like.

yes I know evolution is not about the beginning of life, just as well as it would make even less sense but you would have thought there would have been a logic way to backward engineer evolution to the beginning, if it were true of course...

That alone tells me you don't understand the basics - of science, let alone evolution. But what the hell - what is it about evolution that doesn't make sense?
x(∅ ∈ x ∧ ∀y(yxy ∪ {y} ∈ x))

Grace of God

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2018, 07:19:49 PM »
Evolution is an observed fact. The theory of evolution is an explanation of that fact. The various options you spoke of change very little and aren't really competing versions of the theory but disagreements over detail - so feel free to generalise as much as you like.

That alone tells me you don't understand the basics - of science, let alone evolution. But what the hell - what is it about evolution that doesn't make sense?

How much detail has to change before it is considered to be wrong??

John 3:16 the best news you will ever hear....

Maeght

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5679
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2018, 07:23:31 PM »
How much detail has to change before it is considered to be wrong??

It depends on the evidence.

Grace of God

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2018, 07:29:58 PM »
It depends on the evidence.

In what way??
John 3:16 the best news you will ever hear....

Stranger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8236
  • Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2018, 07:32:40 PM »
Evolution is an observed fact. The theory of evolution is an explanation of that fact. The various options you spoke of change very little and aren't really competing versions of the theory but disagreements over detail - so feel free to generalise as much as you like.

That alone tells me you don't understand the basics - of science, let alone evolution. But what the hell - what is it about evolution that doesn't make sense?

How much detail has to change before it is considered to be wrong??

Still expecting all your questions answered and never answering the ones people ask you...

Until you demonstrate a basic grasp of what the theory of evolution actually is, it's pointless talking about the details - I have seen much evidence (in your posts) that you know nothing about it.
x(∅ ∈ x ∧ ∀y(yxy ∪ {y} ∈ x))

Maeght

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5679
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2018, 07:36:24 PM »
In what way??

Do you know what a theory is in science?

torridon

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10209
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2018, 07:39:05 PM »
How much detail has to change before it is considered to be wrong??

not so much a question or right or wrong, but rather refinement. New detail is coming all the time, it all adds to the breadth and depth of our knowledge.

Grace of God

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2018, 07:42:33 PM »
How much detail has to change before it is considered to be wrong??


Still expecting all your questions answered and never answering the ones people ask you...

Until you demonstrate a basic grasp of what the theory of evolution actually is, it's pointless talking about the details - I have seen much evidence (in your posts) that you know nothing about it.

you could say you don't know, it would be easier... :)
John 3:16 the best news you will ever hear....

Stranger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8236
  • Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Re: how much of evolution have you actually tested for yourself??
« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2018, 08:09:30 AM »
you could say you don't know, it would be easier... :)

And inaccurate. Asking endless stupid questions, refusing to respond to questions asked of you, then accusing others of not being able to answer when they get tired of the silly game, is not an honest approach to debate.

You said that evolution didn't make sense (in #31 when you were trying to cover up the fact that you didn't know evolution wasn't about the start of life) - why not?
x(∅ ∈ x ∧ ∀y(yxy ∪ {y} ∈ x))