Author Topic: How many great buildings, hospitals and works of art has New Atheism given us?  (Read 4313 times)

Walt Zingmatilder

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So what?  I don't think New Atheism had a virgin birth!  It has historical roots, including many secularists and atheists.  UCL was significant, because education had been dominated by various churches.
What sense are you using the word dominate.
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If you are going to claim that New Atheism is merely the disbelief in Gods then one cannot really claim it as a source of inspiration.

I think you're confusing New Atheism with atheism.
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Walt Zingmatilder

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I think you're confusing New Atheism with atheism.
Im taking my cur from Nearly Sane who has offered up Bevan as founding the NHS.....an atheist....and Wigginhall who has offered up UCL as a secular and atheist foundation.

Of course definitions of atheism are split and there are some who would deny a New Atheism although you sound if you acknowledge it .

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https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/new-atheism

That's just a list of books. I asked you to tell us what the scriptures are.
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Given that New Atheism isn't a thing I'm not sure how it can give anyone anything.

Walt Zingmatilder

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Given that New Atheism isn't a thing I'm not sure how it can give anyone anything.
How isn't it a thing. I've listed why it is. Where's your list?

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I think there is one educational establishment that would count as New Atheist. The New College of the humanities in London.
Educational establishments should not have any ideology, religious or anti-religious.
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Walt Zingmatilder

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Educational establishments should not have any ideology, religious or anti-religious.
Ideologies are notoriously difficult to avoid. The British Humanist Association know this full well when they laud non demoninational schools for being close to what the BHA espouse. That sounds neutral until you remember that secular humanism is an ideology.

I tend to focus on foundation. There are times when there has been no social compunction to found schools and the motivation has come from religious institutions.

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Im taking my cur from Nearly Sane who has offered up Bevan as founding the NHS.....an atheist....and Wigginhall who has offered up UCL as a secular and atheist foundation.

Where did Wigginhall say UCL was an atheist foundation?

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So what?  I don't think New Atheism had a virgin birth!  It has historical roots, including many secularists and atheists.  UCL was significant, because education had been dominated by various churches.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/dec/06/ucl-launches-inquiry-into-historical-links-with-eugenics

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/dec/06/ucl-launches-inquiry-into-historical-links-with-eugenics
So what? Eugenics may be out of favour nowadays, but it has a respectable history, and isn't necessarily associated with racism or genocide. Churchill and Julian Huxley were two prominent advocates of it in the early 20th Century. I don't believe in it myself, but voluntary eugenics should not be like (say) anti-semitism, which just has to be named to be condemned.
I once tried using "chicken" as a password, but was told it must contain a capital so I tried "chickenkiev"
On another occasion, I tried "beefstew", but was told it wasn't stroganoff.

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They don't have the vast amounts of money required to commission such things, unlike the people who run major religions.



Hear! Hear!

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My old college, UCL, was founded as a secular institution, and, I think, was greeted with hostility by the C of E.


Called the "God-less institution of Gower Street" by a churchman whose name I forget . . . Thomas Arnold I thnk . . .
The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

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