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Nearly Sane

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Re: Labour twitter idiocy
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2023, 03:06:22 PM »
But as I've pointed out it is an opinion based on whether an individual (or a government's) views should be based on their words or their actions. The point of the poster is so say it should be based on actions and results, not warm, wooly words. In what way is that a 'lie' rather than an opinion?
And no action that Sunak has taken justifies the comment, but sinceyou don't care about lying about Sunak, you'll happily lie about that.

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Re: Labour twitter idiocy
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2023, 03:07:39 PM »
Your justification of lying because it gets people talking indicates that you are no better than Johnson.
So explain in what way the link I gave (another of the poster series) is a lie.

The claim being that due to his actions Sunak cannot credible claim not to think that '... it is right to raise taxes for working people when your family benefitted from a tax loophole'. Why, err because he and his government have raised taxes while his family has benefitted from a tax loophole that he could have chosen to close.

To govern is to choose, and you cannot then claim that the choices you made aren't somehow your responsibility. Eat all the cake and you cannot credibly claim that you wanted everyone else to have some cake - it doesn't matter how much you say that, your actions will speak louder than your words.

That's what this is all about - judge people on their actions, not their words.

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Re: Labour twitter idiocy
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2023, 03:17:35 PM »
And no action that Sunak has taken justifies the comment, but sinceyou don't care about lying about Sunak, you'll happily lie about that.
So you don't see any link between chronically underfunding the whole criminal justice system (all the way from police, through courts through to prison) and failures to catch, convict and punish criminals. Hmm, interesting.

Nor that decisions on minimum sentencing (and maximum sentences) rest with parliament and therefore if the party and government that Sunak has been part of for years and now leads had wanted to impose a minimum custodial sentence for convicted child sex offenders they could have done so. Hmm, interesting.

And of course as Chancellor, and now PM, Sunak could have abolished non-dom status, which his family personally benefitted from, and in doing so could have reduced the need to tax others, or increased funding (e.g. for the criminal justice system). But he chose not to.

To govern is to choose, but you cannot then claim that choice wasn't err, your choice, or your intention.

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Re: Labour twitter idiocy
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2023, 09:28:18 AM »
https://liveapp.inews.co.uk/2023/04/15/sunak-calls-keir-a-friend-of-traffickers-and-nobody-cares-why-labour-stopped-playing-nice/content.html
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Tories are privately delighted with Labour's new more aggressive approach. The gloves are off
There's some other quote along the lines, ''What ever you do, don't fight a pig. You'll end up in mud and the pigs will love it.'
"Let us think the unthinkable, let us do the undoable, let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all" - D Adams

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Re: Labour twitter idiocy
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2023, 09:44:18 AM »
https://liveapp.inews.co.uk/2023/04/15/sunak-calls-keir-a-friend-of-traffickers-and-nobody-cares-why-labour-stopped-playing-nice/content.htmlThere's some other quote along the lines, ''What ever you do, don't fight a pig. You'll end up in mud and the pigs will love it.'
Yvette Cooper obviously did and given she's one of the better front bench performers for Labour, and it's created infighting the Labour ranks, it's clear that it's already been detrimental to them, nevermind our political discourse.

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Re: Labour twitter idiocy
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2023, 03:39:39 PM »
... it's clear that it's already been detrimental to them ...
It isn't clear at all.

Of the two polls conducted after the ads were released and gained media coverage one shows no change, the other a small 2% uptick to Labour and even smaller 1% reduction in the Tories, resulting in their lead increasing 3%.

I suspect we will see some more polling this weekend, but from what we have so far there is no evidence that it has been detrimental in the polling, quite the reverse.

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Re: Labour twitter idiocy
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2023, 04:02:14 PM »
I suspect we will see some more polling this weekend, but from what we have so far there is no evidence that it has been detrimental in the polling, quite the reverse.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/16/labour-rishi-sunak-attack-ad
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Labour’s lead is also back up to 14 points, having dipped to a recent low of 11 points last week, with Starmer’s party standing on 42% (up one point on the week) and the Tories on 28% (down two points).
"Let us think the unthinkable, let us do the undoable, let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all" - D Adams

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Re: Labour twitter idiocy
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2023, 06:45:01 PM »
Tories respond in the same sad idiot kind as Labour

https://youtu.be/xeZCy0-u7jU

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Re: Labour twitter idiocy
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2023, 08:45:44 AM »
More on Labour's change of stance:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/20/labour-warpath-targeting-benefit-claimants-disabled-starmer

Deprsssingly, I find myself agreeing with much of what the writer says.

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A Tory party which is currently fighting for the right to display golly dolls will never lose a race to the bottom.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.