Kingswood and Wellingborough by election results

[jeremyp]

Is Jacob Ree-Smug arguing for PR? https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/jacob-rees-mogg-drops-baffling-take-after-kingswood-by-election-loss/ar-BB1innSB

Looks like he's going to lose his seat at the next GE

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Somerset%20North%20East%20and%20Hanham

[ProfessorDavey]

Looks like he's going to lose his seat at the next GE

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Somerset%20North%20East%20and%20Hanham

I do hope so.

[Nearly Sane]

I do hope so.

Dit-feckin'-to

[jeremyp]

I'm going with John Curtice's take on what is the record for Reform. If you disagree with him, please take it up with him.

But you do understand that he is wrong? Reform UK is definitely the same party as the Brexit Party and the Brexit Party did get 28% at Peterborough.

[SteveH]

Looks like [Ree-Smug is] going to lose his seat at the next GE

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Somerset%20North%20East%20and%20Hanham

Should be a good Michael Portaloo moment on election night.

[ProfessorDavey]

But you do understand that he is wrong? Reform UK is definitely the same party as the Brexit Party and the Brexit Party did get 28% at Peterborough.

Spot on.

I actually heard him interviewed on the radio this morning where he was bemoaning needing to be up all night to report the by-elections. So not sure whether the fatigue led him to 'forget' Peterborough or whether the BBC and he thought reporting it (wrongly) as such made the news more sensational.

But the claim in the article is wrong, NS repeating it is wrong. And while I have no route, nor desire, to take this up with Curtice, I have pointed out with evidence so unequivocal that it cannot be challenged that NS is wrong in his claim. Yet rather than graciously accept he was wrong, he doubles down, refusing to accept any possibility that he might have got it wrong. Hey, ho, how very NS.

[Nearly Sane]

Spot on.

I actually heard him interviewed on the radio this morning where he was bemoaning needing to be up all night to report the by-elections. So not sure whether the fatigue led him to 'forget' Peterborough or whether the BBC and he thought reporting it (wrongly) as such made the news more sensational.

But the claim in the article is wrong, NS repeating it is wrong. And while I have no route, nor desire, to take this up with Curtice, I have pointed out with evidence so unequivocal that it cannot be challenged that NS is wrong in his claim. Yet rather than graciously accept he was wrong, he doubles down, refusing to accept any possibility that he might have got it wrong. Hey, ho, how very NS.

I've just said that given I've taken it from John Curtice you take it up with him. At no point have I said I couldn't be wrong.

[ProfessorDavey]

I've just said that given I've taken it from John Curtice you take it up with him.

If you repeat a claim (that is wrong) you own the wrongness just as much as the individual who may have made it in the first place.

Hence I take it up with you, as I've no interest, nor any way, of taking it up with Curtice.

You could, of course, just accept that you are wrong NS.

At no point have I said I couldn't be wrong.

It isn't just that you could be wrong, you are wrong NS. And saying that you haven't said that you could be wrong is a world away from actually admitting that you are wrong (which of course you are).

[Nearly Sane]

I've submitted a note to the BBC that John Curtice appears to be wrong

[ProfessorDavey]

I've submitted a note to the BBC that John Curtice appears to be wrong

Why is it so difficult so you to just say ‘my bad, I was wrong’?

[Nearly Sane]

Why is it so difficult so you to just say ‘my bad, I was wrong’?

That's a very interesting question for those it applies to. Do you have a theory?

[ProfessorDavey]

That's a very interesting question for those it applies to. Do you have a theory?

It applies to you buddy. I cannot answer why you find it so difficult to admit when you are wrong, perhaps you can enlighten us.

Not too late, of course, to accept you were wrong. Indeed the BBC, in a manner of speaking, did so on the news last night - they clearly stated that Reform UK used to be called the Brexit Party.