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Frauds and Conmen/women
« on: February 27, 2024, 05:44:03 PM »
I'd like to start a thread on notorious fraudsters and conmen in science and medicine. I'm not too well informed on scientific matters outside 'biology', but I'd like to make a few initial comments on fraudsters in medicine and nutrition. First of all, the egregious Andrew Wakefield, anti-vaxxer, darling of Trump and the American right, and struck off the medical register here. I think the bugger should be locked up, charged with multiple manslaughter. Gillian MacHeath is perhaps too amusing or stupid to invite serious comment, but she's done a fair amount of harm herself.

Recently, I've come across a certain American nutritionist, formerly surgeon, who thinks all our problems are caused by eating grains. His name is Bill Davis. He might  just be sincere. One who is definitely not sincere is one Steven Gundry (Dr ?) He's really found a way to boost his bank balance by preying on the gullible "Oats cause intestinal leakage"
All comments on your favourite fraudsters welcome.
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Re: Frauds and Conmen/women
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2024, 10:06:25 AM »
Do we need to lay down some ground rules?

Was Elizabeth Holmes a fraudster in science and medicine? Or was her fraud merely of the general public and investors?

I think Charles Dawson almost* certainly counts as a proper scientific fraudster. He (probably) faked actual physical evidence that took in at least some of the scientific community of the time. A lot of modern scientific fraud involves merely massaging numbers on a spreadsheet or manipulating digital images.

* "almost" not because what happened might not have been scientific fraud but because the evidence is strong but not definitive that he was the perpetrator.
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Re: Frauds and Conmen/women
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2024, 04:01:41 PM »
Do we need to lay down some ground rules?

Yes, you're quite right, the matter is by no means straightforward. In part, it comes down to the old mens rea
problem. "Purposefully, Knowingly or Recklessly". But this is further complicated by psychological matters, which researchers such as John Ronson have long been investigating. His recent book and radio series Things Fell Apart highlights several instances of this - cases where what seemed to have been a genuine, well-qualified scientific researcher later became caught in a whirlpool of conspiracy theories, and became an almost rabid promoter of them. In some cases it seems that such people had severe personality disorders from the first. A bit of anal retentiveness may help research, but beyond that..... [/quote]

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Was Elizabeth Holmes a fraudster in science and medicine? Or was her fraud merely of the general public and investors?

I think Charles Dawson almost* certainly counts as a proper scientific fraudster. He (probably) faked actual physical evidence that took in at least some of the scientific community of the time. A lot of modern scientific fraud involves merely massaging numbers on a spreadsheet or manipulating digital images.

* "almost" not because what happened might not have been scientific fraud but because the evidence is strong but not definitive that he was the perpetrator.

In specifying Charles Dawson, you've chosen a character who almost certainly held up evolutionary anthropological research for some 50 years. You say 'almost certainly' and indeed it seems that he was instrumental in the Piltdown Hoax. But Stephen J Gould pointed to another important player in the saga: the Jesuit priest Teilhard de Chardin (and promoter of 'spiritual evolution'), who as a young man was Dawson's protégé. Gould first suggested that Teilhard was a co-conspirator in his 1980 essay Hens' Teeth and Horses' Toes, but he was castigated for perpetrating deliberate errors to sustain his argument; he later corrected these, but came to the same conclusion. Teilhard certainly had an invested interest in suggesting that the apparent large brain and apelike jaw of Piltdown Man was complementary to his own philosophy/theology of all evolution being impelled by the Holy Spirit towards "Omega Point", since the 'fossils' seemed to indicate that this mental evolution had occurred fairly early on. We now know that a whole range of real fossils had to mark time in given serious consideration because of this. It must have been very frustrating for Prof. Raymond Dart and Louis Leakey with their supremely important Australopithecine finds to have had their research dismissed as a collection of ancient apes, with no real connection to the human line. All the Australopithecines, of course, including A. afarensis (closest to Homo habilis) show that the development of the jaw towards a more human appearance came way before the massive enlargement of the brain.

Closer to home, anyone want to take a stance on the proliferation of "Detox" books, a number of which have been churned out as definite money-spinners by national treasures such as Carol Vorderman? How much brass neck does it take to roll out such shameless shit? I think we all know that fresh fruit and veg are good for us, but beyond that? The kidneys and liver "detox"; wheat-grass smoothies do not. It seems that these amateur nutritionists do not take the least trouble to investigate the scientific principles of digestion, and the function of the body's organs of elimination. We of course know (courtesy of Gillian MacHeath) that green things are good for you because they can produce oxygen in your gut. Photosynthesis is well known for taking place in complete darkness......
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Re: Frauds and Conmen/women
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2024, 05:36:44 AM »



You had written Charles Dawson...and I read it as Charles Darwin by mistake. Checked online and got this....

https://www.tbsnews.net/world/charles-darwin-stole-his-theory-evolution-fellow-naturalist-new-evidence-claims-367213

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Charles Darwin 'stole' his theory of evolution from fellow naturalist, new evidence claims

Charles Darwin has been widely seen as one of the most influential figures in human history due to his work on evolution, but a new book claims to have found evidence that he stole his Theory of Evolution from fellow naturalist.

Criminologist Dr Mike Sutton in his upcoming book "Science Fraud: Darwin's Plagiarism of Patrick Matthew's Theory" argue that there are overwhelming similarities between Darwin's seminal On The Origin Of Species and an earlier work "On Naval Timber and Arboriculture" by a naturalist called Patrick Matthew,

In 1859, having observed such creatures as the giant Galapagos tortoise, he published On The Origin Of Species, spelling out the theory of a 'Process of Natural Selection'. However, 28 years earlier Matthew had published On Naval Timber And Arboriculture, which expounded similar findings through his theory of the 'Natural Process of Selection'.

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Not sure if this has any merit or is just another conspiracy theory.....


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Re: Frauds and Conmen/women
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2024, 08:32:06 AM »


You had written Charles Dawson...and I read it as Charles Darwin by mistake. Checked online and got this....

https://www.tbsnews.net/world/charles-darwin-stole-his-theory-evolution-fellow-naturalist-new-evidence-claims-367213

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Charles Darwin 'stole' his theory of evolution from fellow naturalist, new evidence claims

Charles Darwin has been widely seen as one of the most influential figures in human history due to his work on evolution, but a new book claims to have found evidence that he stole his Theory of Evolution from fellow naturalist.

Criminologist Dr Mike Sutton in his upcoming book "Science Fraud: Darwin's Plagiarism of Patrick Matthew's Theory" argue that there are overwhelming similarities between Darwin's seminal On The Origin Of Species and an earlier work "On Naval Timber and Arboriculture" by a naturalist called Patrick Matthew,

In 1859, having observed such creatures as the giant Galapagos tortoise, he published On The Origin Of Species, spelling out the theory of a 'Process of Natural Selection'. However, 28 years earlier Matthew had published On Naval Timber And Arboriculture, which expounded similar findings through his theory of the 'Natural Process of Selection'.

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Not sure if this has any merit or is just another conspiracy theory.....

I think this is a reasonable summation.

https://www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/science/leading-figures/patrick-matthew-the-forgotten-pioneer-of-evolution/


From a psychological viewpoint, it also doesn't really work, there is lots of documentary evidence of the work Darwin did on evolution going back years before the publication of In The Origin of Species, including his intention to publish it. It was hastened after  Wallace's publication but still took time. Even when Matthews published, it wasn't a wholly new idea. Why then would Darwin know about the idea, intend the skullduggery, but hold of so long that someone else published something on it?