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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2024, 09:04:16 AM »
Ah, Brexit the gift that keeps on taking:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/17/complex-post-brexit-tax-rules-means-price-rises-for-wine-drinkers-in-britain

That doesn't sound like they are making alcohol duty more complex. I reads like they are simplifying it.
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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2024, 09:46:54 AM »
That doesn't sound like they are making alcohol duty more complex. I reads like they are simplifying it.

Not sure how you got that from the article.

It says they are increasing the tax bands from 1 to 30 with an increase of 2p for every 0.1% increase in strength.

Either way, it is still the gift that keeps on taking if it is adding 40p on a bottle of wine.
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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2024, 02:00:17 PM »
Not sure how you got that from the article.

It says they are increasing the tax bands from 1 to 30 with an increase of 2p for every 0.1% increase in strength.

Either way, it is still the gift that keeps on taking if it is adding 40p on a bottle of wine.
The odd thing is that I presume the adjustments have a health rationale, as a revenue rausing one, behind them but I can't recall this having been made clear as a move from the govt, unlike the moves on smoking age.

I have to admit to being completely confused as to this appearing to apply only to wine in terms of the 'strength' bsnds but not to beer, or spirits. I suppose spirits are mainly a standard 40% but there is variation.

I can see that the removal of the special category of fizzy stuff is a simplification but the rest of it appears a bit of a mess.


ETA I am also baffled by the approach in that other than the simplification on the fizz it doesn't seem very Tory way of doing things. The .1% increments is incredibly fiddly. Perhaps they are trying to 'boil a frog'.
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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2024, 04:28:45 PM »
Not sure how you got that from the article.

It says they are increasing the tax bands from 1 to 30 with an increase of 2p for every 0.1% increase in strength.

Either way, it is still the gift that keeps on taking if it is adding 40p on a bottle of wine.

There currently isn't one tax band for wine. IT depends on how much alcohol there is in it and the whole alcohol charging looks like a mess. For example, you might pay a different amount of tax on your cider depending on whether it is sparkling or not.

As for the likely price increase. You could say it's bad, but conversely, it might mean people drink less alcohol, which is good.
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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2024, 07:59:44 AM »
There currently isn't one tax band for wine. IT depends on how much alcohol there is in it and the whole alcohol charging looks like a mess. For example, you might pay a different amount of tax on your cider depending on whether it is sparkling or not.

As for the likely price increase. You could say it's bad, but conversely, it might mean people drink less alcohol, which is good.
If price increases are to be seen as a good thing, then I suggest we shouldn't be subsidising politicians' drinks

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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2024, 09:54:11 AM »
If price increases are to be seen as a good thing, then I suggest we shouldn't be subsidising politicians' drinks

And?
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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2024, 11:12:38 AM »
And?
And the menu that I attached appeared elsewhere on my timeline made me think of your post and to think that for people to see measures such as the banding as being related to health as opposed to be some form of taking money from them in the guise of health then the politicians saying that they are with that purpose need to stop having subsidised alcohol in their workplace.

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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2024, 11:45:52 AM »
And the menu that I attached appeared elsewhere on my timeline made me think of your post and to think that for people to see measures such as the banding as being related to health as opposed to be some form of taking money from them in the guise of health then the politicians saying that they are with that purpose need to stop having subsidised alcohol in their workplace.

Why do we tax alcohol more than we tax other luxury goods?

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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2024, 11:52:13 AM »
Why do we tax alcohol more than we tax other luxury goods?
Sorry, I don't see the relevance of the question as to whether the mixed messages sent out by politicians saying we tax alcohol for health reasons is undermined by subsidising politician's drinking of alcohol at work.

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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2024, 01:13:19 PM »
I owe MPs a bit of an apology. That list was out of date, and prices have been raised so that a more recent version is in this link
https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/freedom-of-information/information-we-already-publish/house-of-commons-publication-scheme/catering-services/commons-catering-menus-and-tariffs-archive/menus-and-tariffs-2023/


Still subsidising them drinking at work.

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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2024, 03:04:20 PM »
I owe MPs a bit of an apology. That list was out of date, and prices have been raised so that a more recent version is in this link
https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/freedom-of-information/information-we-already-publish/house-of-commons-publication-scheme/catering-services/commons-catering-menus-and-tariffs-archive/menus-and-tariffs-2023/


Still subsidising them drinking at work.

Why is the price list in in the House of Commons bar at all relevant to the tax applied to wines and spirits and the merchants' complaints about them.

It seems to me you are indulging in a bit of politician bashing for the sake of it.

Also, why is any of this relevant to Brexit?
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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2024, 03:11:20 PM »
Why is the price list in in the House of Commons bar at all relevant to the tax applied to wines and spirits and the merchants' complaints about them.

It seems to me you are indulging in a bit of politician bashing for the sake of it.

Also, why is any of this relevant to Brexit?
It's relevant because if you want to convince the electorate that drinking should be reduced it is then hypocritical to have your own drinking subsidised by the electorate, and it undermines any message about drinking.

As to Brexit, other than the original article covering them as Post Brexit don't know. I'll discuss moving with other mods.

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Re: Alcohol duty changes
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2024, 04:12:42 PM »
Moderator Thread has been created from posts on the Brxit thread, after discussion, since despite the article title, it does not relate clearly to Brexit, as raised in post by jeremyp.

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