Charleston church shootings

[Shaker]

Why is it some praise the deity when something good happens, but never blame it when a terrible tragedy occurs?

Did your children praise you when things went well in the family, but blame you whenever  things went wrong?

Parents, despite all the best hopes of their offspring sometimes, are not regarded as omniscient, ommipotent and omnibenevolent.

[wigginhall]

Mr. Wigginhall,
I don't watch Fox but I did a little digging and noticed Geraldo Rivera, one of the Fox journalists/reporters has been calling it domestic terrorism. But what that has to do with how much money Obama is spending to fight white terror in the USA is beyond me.

Well, I'm just saying that the idea of Muslim terror is digestible for many Americans, because it puts it out there, as the exotic Other.   Whereas homegrown white terror is more disquieting, esp. if the underlying racism (of some of it) has deep roots.   Who the hell would have the beanbags to uncover and confront all of that?   I know that some white extremism is also about anti-gumment stuff. 

[OH MY WORLD!]

Mr. Wigginhall,
So you are saying America was better able to digest 9/11 than the Oklahoma City bombing? Well in the sense that you can accept that a Muslim terrorist wants to kill Brits but you would ask why,  when a Brit terrorist kills Brits.

[wigginhall]

Mr. Wigginhall,
So you are saying America was better able to digest 9/11 than the Oklahoma City bombing? Well in the sense that you can accept that a Muslim terrorist wants to kill Brits but you would ask why,  when a Brit terrorist kills Brits.

No, you're twisting my words.   I think 9/11 was a great shock to the US, but since then, the image of the Muslim terrorist has become a stock one, so that 'terrorism' almost seems to link automatically with 'Muslim'.   So I think for some Americans, calling the Charleston shootings an act of white supremacist terrorism is difficult, hence the reluctance of Fox to describe it like that.  Not everyone of course - Loretta Lynch described it like that.

I think many black people also connect it with the killings of black men in recent years by cops, hence 'Black Lives Matter'.   Of course, there's a lot of history involved here.

[BashfulAnthony]

Why is it some praise the deity when something good happens, but never blame it when a terrible tragedy occurs?

Did your children praise you when things went well in the family, but blame you whenever  things went wrong?

Parents, despite all the best hopes of their offspring sometimes, are not regarded as omniscient, ommipotent and omnibenevolent.

As the sainted Oscar said: "Children begin by loving their parents;  as they grow older they judge them; sometimes they forgive them."

[OH MY WORLD!]

Mr. Wigginhall,
Since you mentioned Fox as your proof that Americans have a problem stating white supremacist terrorism, I clicked on to Fox and clicked their terrorism section and low and behold the lead story in their terrorism section is the Charlestons shooting with a big picture of the shooter. I don't think they have a problem stating what he is. Well I knew as soon as I heard of the event that it was a loner wanting to start a race war, to fan the flames. And i believe most Americans knew it was that and not a Muslim terror attack. You see Mr. Wigginhall, Americans have had a century of dealing with white hate groups and their attacks on America. I didn't hear one suggestion that it might have been a Muslim terrorist, not one.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/white-supremacist-group-considered-itself-most-racist-1946090.html

[BashfulAnthony]

Saw Obama's speech, come eulogy, come preaching, today.  Very impressive; and he burst into song at the end:  Amazing Grace  -  never sung flatter in its history!   

[Hope]

Parents, despite all the best hopes of their offspring sometimes, are not regarded as omniscient, ommipotent and omnibenevolent.

Oh, it seems we have someone trying to speak on behalf of someone else here.  How unusual.  Or is this evidence that Floo and Shaker are one and the same person?   

[floo]

Parents, despite all the best hopes of their offspring sometimes, are not regarded as omniscient, ommipotent and omnibenevolent.

Oh, it seems we have someone trying to speak on behalf of someone else here.  How unusual.  Or is this evidence that Floo and Shaker are one and the same person?   

However did you guess!

[Hope]

Parents, despite all the best hopes of their offspring sometimes, are not regarded as omniscient, ommipotent and omnibenevolent.

Oh, it seems we have someone trying to speak on behalf of someone else here.  How unusual.  Or is this evidence that Floo and Shaker are one and the same person?   

However did you guess!

Could it be the family-like spats that the two of you share at times.   

[floo]

Parents, despite all the best hopes of their offspring sometimes, are not regarded as omniscient, ommipotent and omnibenevolent.

Oh, it seems we have someone trying to speak on behalf of someone else here.  How unusual.  Or is this evidence that Floo and Shaker are one and the same person?   

However did you guess!

Could it be the family-like spats that the two of you share at times.   

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

[Sriram]

I believe six black churches have been burnt down in south eastern US since the Charleston killings. This means that the guy who killed the nine people has many sympathizers....and cannot be dismissed as a crank.

http://us.cnn.com/2015/06/30/us/south-carolina-church-fire-mount-zion-ame/index.html

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With grief and shock from the racist killings in a Charleston church still fresh, a predominantly black house of worship in another South Carolina town burned down late Tuesday.

It's unclear what caused the blaze, said Williamsburg County Fire Chief Randy Swinton.

Since the June 17 murders at Charleston's Emmanuel AME church of nine worshippers by a white 21-year-old saying he wanted to start a race war, at least six black churches have burned in the southeastern United States. That includes Tuesday night's burning of Mt. Zion.

Regardless of the cause of Tuesday's blaze, "it was another punch to the gut" to the community, said former state Rep. Bakari Sellers on CNN Wednesday.

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[Nearly Sane]

I agree it is very worrying but why link to a case where it is not clear if it was arson?

[OH MY WORLD!]

Good Grief! Some here are as irresponsible as some news outlets. Yes several black churches have burnt as well as several churches with mostly white congregations. Those don't get mentioned because that ruins the racist slant the irresponsible news outlets are peddling. So about the several black churches. Some have been hit by lighting not the kkk. Some have been robbed and set on fire. And those responsible have turned out to be African American. And yes I believe two or so have been confirmed hate crimes. So what is real is that those irresponsible people and news outlets, by suggesting a wave of attacks on African American churches, are in fact igniting more racial division and fear.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Oh, and to keep it real. A fact, the number of church burnings in the USA has actually dropped. There is no wave.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Perhaps Sriram could address the issue of his Hindu militants burning Christian churches and beating Christians in his beautiful India. What are the stats on your the burnings in your country Sriram?

[Sriram]

Perhaps Sriram could address the issue of his Hindu militants burning Christian churches and beating Christians in his beautiful India. What are the stats on your the burnings in your country Sriram?

You really do go berserk every now and then..Johnny!

[OH MY WORLD!]

Sriram,
No, I never loose my cool. But what is dangerous is news outlets and people that are suggesting there is a wave of arson attacks on black churches by racists.  Is it racist when lightning strikes, when a church is robbed and burnt by an African American? Is it racist that so many white churches are burnt and never get mentioned nor counted in the stats? Is it weird that you like to point finger at other nations while ignoring those same crimes going on in your beautiful India? Berserk? You don't even know the definition of that word.

[Owlswing]

Mr. Wigginhall,
So you are saying America was better able to digest 9/11 than the Oklahoma City bombing? Well in the sense that you can accept that a Muslim terrorist wants to kill Brits but you would ask why,  when a Brit terrorist kills Brits.

No, you're twisting my words.   I think 9/11 was a great shock to the US, but since then, the image of the Muslim terrorist has become a stock one, so that 'terrorism' almost seems to link automatically with 'Muslim'.   So I think for some Americans, calling the Charleston shootings an act of white supremacist terrorism is difficult, hence the reluctance of Fox to describe it like that.  Not everyone of course - Loretta Lynch described it like that.

I think many black people also connect it with the killings of black men in recent years by cops, hence 'Black Lives Matter'.   Of course, there's a lot of history involved here.

I think 9/11 was a great shock to the US . . .

It was, to a lot of people of my generation, a much-needed shock.

I lost friends, civilian and military to I R A terrorism which received huge amounts of funding from Irish-Americans.

On the TV news there were films of coach-loads of American tourists visiting sites where I R A bombs killed a Northern Irish boy band, and placeds where soldiers had been bombed or shot.

9/11 bought hoime to the population of thge U S exactly what it was like to have to look over your shoulder when you went out, not knowing when the next atrocity was to be visited opon them. It changed their entire attitude to ALL terrorism and thus had a positive effect.

It is an unpleasant shame that the lesson could not have been learned without such a huge loss of innocent lives.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Ya right. Just to keep it real. The Oklahoma city bombing was a great shock and yet my American neighbors have been dealing with white domestic terrorism for a hundred years. Americans do not have to, nor will they ever, be terrorized into having to look over their shoulders ever time they go out. You can be alert without the paranoia. 9/11 did NOT change Americans attitude to terrorism just their game plan. They have always been ready to squish it out where ever they find it. Just check the FBI web site. 9/11 was an attack on a massive scale and has led America to take the fight overseas on a great scale. Domestic terror on the other hand is and always has been a priority of the FBI.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/may/extremism_052212/extremism_052212

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKye0eaVwq8

[Sriram]

You can keep wearing your blinkers Johnny...but here is some news. Watch the video.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33371255

And its not about pointing fingers...but about something serious to discuss.