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Origin of some phrases
« on: September 15, 2015, 10:22:34 AM »
Hi everyone,

Someone sent me this piece. Thought I could share it with you folks.  :)

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Times in Old England

They used to use urine to tan animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot & then once a day it was taken & Sold to the tannery.......if you had to do this to survive you were "Piss Poor"
But worse than that were the really poor folk who couldn't even afford to buy a pot......they "didn't have a pot to piss in" & were the lowest of the low.

The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be.

Here are some facts about the 1500s:

Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May, and they still smelled pretty good by June.. However, since they were starting to smell . ...... . Brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting Married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it.. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the Bath water!"

Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof... Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence the saying, "Dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entrance-way. Hence: a thresh hold.

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire.. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme: Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old. Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could, "bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and chew the fat.

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the upper crust.

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would Sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial.. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a wake.

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-house, and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive... So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift.) to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be, saved by the bell or was considered a dead ringer.

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You could add some you might know of.

Cheers.

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Re: Origin of some phrases
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2015, 10:45:02 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2015, 11:00:39 AM »
The smallest British owl was called the Teet, but is now extinct. It became extinct because in the 1700s it was found that its feathers were exceptionally absorbent so they were killed and the feathers were bundled up and used to dry the wooden platters they used for plates.

Which is how it got its name...

... the Teet owl.

I'll get me jacket  :-[
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2015, 11:08:55 AM »
The smallest British owl was called the Teet, but is now extinct. It became extinct because in the 1700s it was found that its feathers were exceptionally absorbent so they were killed and the feathers were bundled up and used to dry the wooden platters they used for plates.

Which is how it got its name...

... the Teet owl.

I'll get me jacket  :-[

Thanks for the laugh blue! Some of the others are equally amusing.  ;D

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2015, 11:09:56 AM »
In churches in the 16th Century, miscreants used to have sit in a chair while the rest of the churchgoers sat around them, The sinner's misdemenours were read out and then eacvh other parishioner would take a turn telling them off. This become known as the Vicious Circle.

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2015, 11:16:33 AM »
In churches in the 16th Century, miscreants used to have sit in a chair while the rest of the churchgoers sat around them, The sinner's misdemenours were read out and then eacvh other parishioner would take a turn telling them off. This become known as the Vicious Circle.

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2015, 11:29:49 AM »
In the reign of Henry the Eighth, he was recognised as being able to drink a great amount of alcohol withoout showing any effect. Many people would try to drink at the same pace as their king at banquets but would all be drunk, certainly if they tried to outdrink him. This became so common that it gave rise to the phrase 'One over the eight'

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2015, 11:35:22 AM »
Pieces of eight are historical Spanish dollar coins minted in the Americas from the late 15th century through the 19th century. Made of silver, they were in nearly worldwide circulation by the late 19th century and were legal currency in the United States until 1857. The Spanish dollar coin was worth eight reales and could be physically cut into eight pieces, or "bits," to make change — hence the colloquial name "pieces of eight." The dollar coin could also be cut into quarters, and "two bits" became American slang for a quarter dollar, or 25 cents. The American dollar used today was based on the Spanish dollar.

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2015, 11:41:38 AM »
I remember that my uncle Trevor used to say, "always fight fire with fire".

I think that's why he got thrown out of the fire brigade....
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2015, 11:58:36 AM »
I well remember the singing of the sad old songs like the one below and it always makes me feel homesick, particularly if I am at home


'Ye nurves and bogles of Bonnie Glen Postule
Oft have I greebled amongst your trees
And whirdled my lassie among your nettles
I swore my devotion and stung both my knees

For we bogled and grundled and grundled and bogled
I grottled my muckles for bonnie wee June
And now she's run off with a plumber from Sidcup
So I lurk in the forest and whirdle alone '



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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2015, 12:25:19 PM »
In churches in the 16th Century, miscreants used to have sit in a chair while the rest of the churchgoers sat around them, The sinner's misdemenours were read out and then eacvh other parishioner would take a turn telling them off. This become known as the Vicious Circle.

I seem to have some recollection that something like this is going on to this day in some extreme fundie churches! :o
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2015, 01:02:10 PM »
NS,

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I well remember the singing of the sad old songs like the one below and it always makes me feel homesick, particularly if I am at home


'Ye nurves and bogles of Bonnie Glen Postule
Oft have I greebled amongst your trees
And whirdled my lassie among your nettles
I swore my devotion and stung both my knees

For we bogled and grundled and grundled and bogled
I grottled my muckles for bonnie wee June
And now she's run off with a plumber from Sidcup
So I lurk in the forest and whirdle alone '

Love it. Reminds me of the wonderful Rambling Syd Rumpo aka Kenneth Williams:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xUbVuH3RMQ
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2015, 02:05:09 PM »
Dear Blue,

You have turned this thread into complete nonsense, Man!! it is great to have you back ;) :P

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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2015, 02:10:42 PM »
Hi Gonners,

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You have turned this thread into complete nonsense, Man!! it is great to have you back ;) :P

Well to be fair there was a fair amount of nonsense there to begin with, but I appreciate the sentiment nonetheless!

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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2015, 11:34:31 PM »
In the 18th century, rats were a big problem. Nowhere were they more of a problem than at public houses, due to the amount of food that got dropped on the floor. Occasionally, customers would get so drunk that they would keel over unconscious and sometimes the rats would then take a nibble. For some reason rats considered the cheeks and the tip of the nose to be the greatest delicacy, leading to nasty scars.

When people so afflicted walked down the street, bystanders would say to each other “looks like Fred was in the pub last night and got totally rat faced.”
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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2015, 11:42:39 PM »
In the 17th century,lighting was a big problem. Nowhere were was it more of a problem than in public houses, due to the small windows and failure to invent electricity. Occasionally, customers would get so drunk that they would keel over unconscious in the latrines and sometimes other customers would fail to see them. For some reason the unconscious people often fell over face up leading to unwelcome substances in the hair, eyes and nostrils.

When people so afflicted walked down the street, bystanders would say to each other “looks like Fred was in the pub last night and got totally shit faced.”
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2015, 08:16:09 AM »
NS,

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I well remember the singing of the sad old songs like the one below and it always makes me feel homesick, particularly if I am at home


'Ye nurves and bogles of Bonnie Glen Postule
Oft have I greebled amongst your trees
And whirdled my lassie among your nettles
I swore my devotion and stung both my knees

For we bogled and grundled and grundled and bogled
I grottled my muckles for bonnie wee June
And now she's run off with a plumber from Sidcup
So I lurk in the forest and whirdle alone '

Love it. Reminds me of the wonderful Rambling Syd Rumpo aka Kenneth Williams:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xUbVuH3RMQ

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Can't you imagine the fun we could have had convincing Sriram of some of the oddities and idiosyncractic usages of the English language, as compiled by the late Sir Sydney Rumpo?

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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2015, 08:11:16 PM »
That farmer on BBC East last night, flogging off his tractors.

He said he had done with collecting and renovating them and thought it was time to move on which leads to that old saying "I used to like tractors but now I'm an extractor fan". 

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2015, 12:23:33 PM »
In churches in the 16th Century, miscreants used to have sit in a chair while the rest of the churchgoers sat around them, The sinner's misdemenours were read out and then eacvh other parishioner would take a turn telling them off. This become known as the Vicious Circle.

I seem to have some recollection that something like this is going on to this day in some extreme fundie churches! :o
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2015, 01:03:35 PM »
Back in the 1970s an advertising executive was having dinner in a French restaurant. His favourite waiter Gervaise took the order, and the exec asked for a fresh squid from the tank. When the waiter asked which one he wanted, rather than pick the fattest one he picked the small green one in the corner with a moustache. Gervaise explained that this squid had a really mellow nature and was in fact the restaurant's pet, so asked the ad man to pick a different one.

Undeterred the exec insisted on his first choice nonetheless, so Gervaise fished it out of the tank and picked up a sharp knife to do the deed. At that point the squid peered shyly at him, Gervaise burst into tears and decided that he couldn't kill the little fella. As the ad exec was a favoured guest though, Gervaise called for Hans, the German who did the washing up, to come out of the kitchen to kill the squid instead. 

Hans picked up the knife, only for the squid to smile shyly back at him. Mortified, Hans too decided that he just couldn't do the deed either.

Watching all this, the ad exec had no choice but to conclude that...

...Hans who does dishes is as soft as Gervaise with a mild, green hairy-lipped squid.

And thus a slogan was born.
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2015, 01:13:22 PM »
And thus an old joke was made very happy. Always was one of my favourites that one.

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2015, 02:51:20 PM »
And thus an old joke was made very happy. Always was one of my favourites that one.

And me.

Another old one coming up:

There were two friends, Sam Plank and Jim Jackson who vowed to try to get in touch with each other after they died. Unfortunately Sam Plank died first, but his friend Jim lived another ten years. Eventually Jim died and found himself at the gates of Heaven. He was given a harp and a nice fluffy cloud, and ended up playing sweet melodies all the time. However there was no sign of Sam in Heaven at all. So Jim decided to see if he was in the other place. He went to God and explained that he wanted to visit Hell to see if Sam was there. God said He would allow him just one visit which must end at midnight when he would be forced to return. Jim agreed, and forthwith he descended to Hell.

He was astonished by the riot of colour and the buzz of excited people as he walked along what looked like some sort of main street. And then he saw it..a magnificent building, and above it, in shining lights, were the words, 'Sam Plank's Bar and Discotheque.' He went inside, and there were people dancing and having what looked like a great time. As he walked towards the bar he suddenly saw his old friend, with a pretty lady on each arm. He shouted out, "Sam, Sam, it's me, your old friend Jim.". Soon they were greeting each other, drinking and having a great time. Time passed very quickly..too quickly because, as the bar clock pointed to midnight, he suddenly found himself back in the solemn presence of God.

God's voice boomed out, I hope you enjoyed your visit, Jim, but haven't you forgotten something? Jim's heart missed a beat as he said, " Oh dear, I've left my harp in Sam Plank's disco."

And so a song was born... ;) :)


And another:

Near where I live there is a small village called Meaux, near to the site of the Meaux Abbey.

How it originated and grew is shown by the old song

'One man went to Meaux, went to Meaux, a meadow' ::)
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2015, 01:09:58 PM »
I heard there's a Yorkshire based software company that has developed a new algorithm gprogram they have put onto disc and it combines a search programme with all aspects of the whole of Gumtree and Ebay sales, buying and set up.

Apparently this disc is now available and they're marketing it under the EbayGum lable, so I've heard.   

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2015, 04:49:55 PM »
I well remember the singing of the sad old songs like the one below and it always makes me feel homesick, particularly if I am at home


'Ye nurves and bogles of Bonnie Glen Postule
Oft have I greebled amongst your trees
And whirdled my lassie among your nettles
I swore my devotion and stung both my knees

For we bogled and grundled and grundled and bogled
I grottled my muckles for bonnie wee June
And now she's run off with a plumber from Sidcup
So I lurk in the forest and whirdle alone '

The vocabulary is classic Syd Rumpo, as others have commented.

I particularly liked his version of "Clementine":

"Joe, he was a young cordwangler,
Munging greebles he did go,
And he loved a bogler's daughter
By the name of Chiswick Flo.

Vain she was and like a grusset
Though her gander parts were fine,
But she sneered at his cordwangle
As it hung upon the line.

So he stole a woggler's mooly
For to make a wedding ring,
But the Bow Street Runners caught him
And the judge said "He will swing."

Oh, they hung him by the postern,
Nailed his mooly to the fence
For to warn all young cordwanglers
That it was a grave offence.

There's a moral to this story,
Though your cordwangle be poor,
Keep your hands off other's moolies,
For it is against the law."

 
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