Halloween the roots of

[Hope]

Are you totally deaf, blind and bloody stupid!

I doi not give a tuppeny damn for Hallow Mass, All Hallows Day. All Saint's day or any other Christian festiival on or about October 31 - your refusal to go back any further into history than where your religion inflicted iteslf an anyone not previously Christian is not going to change the fact that your religion is, compared to mine, an absolute infant.

Sorry Matt, but on more than one occasion over the course of this thread I have pointed out very clearly that there were pre-existing religions, pre-existing festivals and other pre-existing religions that later religions borrowed from, hijacked, inflicted themselves upon, and all the other colourful phrases you've used to describe the activities of the Christian Church.

Unless and until you are prepared to take note of what I and Rhi tell you about our festivals I am not prepared to take any notice of any posts you make with reference to my religion from the viewpoint of yours!

It's not up to me to refute reputable anthropological findings.  But, if you want to do so, perhaps you ought to provide some evidence to back up your refutations.

[Owlswing]

The word Halloween or Hallowe'en dates to about 1745[25] and is of Christian origin.[26] The word "Halloween" means "hallowed evening" or "holy evening".[27] It comes from a Scottish term for All Hallows' Eve (the evening before All Hallows' Day).[28] In Scots, the word "eve" is even, and this is contracted to e'en or een. Over time, (All) Hallow(s) E(v)en evolved into Halloween. Although the phrase "All Hallows'" is found in Old English (ealra hālgena mæssedæg, all saints mass-day), "All Hallows' Eve" is itself not seen until 1556.[28][29]


25: "Online Etymology Dictionary: Halloween". Etymonline.com. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

26: The A to Z of Anglicanism (Colin Buchanan), Scarecrow Press, page 8

27: The American Desk Encyclopedia (Steve Luck), Oxford University Press, page 365

28: The Oxford English Dictionary (2nd ed.). Oxford: Oxford Univ. Press. 1989. ISBN 0-19-861186-2.

29: "DOST: Hallow Evin". Dsl.ac.uk. Archived from the original on 29 April 2014. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

[BashfulAnthony]

The word Halloween or Hallowe'en dates to about 1745[25] and is of Christian origin.[26] The word "Halloween" means "hallowed evening" or "holy evening".[27] It comes from a Scottish term for All Hallows' Eve (the evening before All Hallows' Day).[28] In Scots, the word "eve" is even, and this is contracted to e'en or een. Over time, (All) Hallow(s) E(v)en evolved into Halloween. Although the phrase "All Hallows'" is found in Old English (ealra hālgena mæssedæg, all saints mass-day), "All Hallows' Eve" is itself not seen until 1556.[28][29]


25: "Online Etymology Dictionary: Halloween". Etymonline.com. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

26: The A to Z of Anglicanism (Colin Buchanan), Scarecrow Press, page 8

27: The American Desk Encyclopedia (Steve Luck), Oxford University Press, page 365

28: The Oxford English Dictionary (2nd ed.). Oxford: Oxford Univ. Press. 1989. ISBN 0-19-861186-2.

29: "DOST: Hallow Evin". Dsl.ac.uk. Archived from the original on 29 April 2014. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

Why go to all that trouble googling.  People could have done it themselves - if they were remotely interested!

[Sassy]

Some say it's Christian, others that its roots are in Paganism.

What do you think?

Today's Halloween customs are thought to have been influenced by folk customs and beliefs from the Celtic-speaking countries, some of which have pagan roots, and others which may be rooted in Celtic Christianity.[32][33] Indeed, Jack Santino, a folklorist, writes that "the sacred and the religious are a fundamental context for understanding Halloween in Northern Ireland, but there was throughout Ireland an uneasy truce existing between customs and beliefs associated with Christianity and those associated with religions that were Irish before Christianity arrived".[34]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

As it's almost here, I thought it might be fun to sort some of the truths from the fiction.

Which bits are really derived from Paganism and which bits from somewhere else?

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It is simply all souls night.
But the modern day is mainly down to the Americans... LOL.

I believe a lot of different beliefs have merged but more so they all have the same night basically to share the beliefs.

Who really knows where all the dates come from. But the belief in one God religion predates all the rest of the beliefs.
The Chinese having what appears to be the oldest belief over a million years they had one God belief.
Even been suggested the reason for the wise man coming from the East following the Star they have long charted maps for.

We can think many things but for the bigger part most beliefs are assumed rather than proved.

Sassy, you really do talk a load of rubbish sometimes.

But the belief in one God religion predates all the rest of the beliefs.

the oldest religious atrifact ever found, dated to between 23,000 and 25,000 BCE, is FEMALE, a GODDESS figure named "The Venus of Willendorf". Your "one God religion" is less than one tenth as old - it is a Johnny-come-lately!

Sure you would not be better using the Name Richard Head. We all know you are the original defining meaning of the name.
Pity your arguments like your name are pretty limp.

[Sassy]

Christianity is not "ugly,"

Actually that's precisely and exactly how I see it.

How do you manage with the white stick and dark glasses these days when it comes to Christianity?
May be your is a psychological blindness. Chosen rather than all in the mind.

[Sassy]

The word Halloween or Hallowe'en dates to about 1745[25] and is of Christian origin.[26] The word "Halloween" means "hallowed evening" or "holy evening".[27] It comes from a Scottish term for All Hallows' Eve (the evening before All Hallows' Day).[28] In Scots, the word "eve" is even, and this is contracted to e'en or een. Over time, (All) Hallow(s) E(v)en evolved into Halloween. Although the phrase "All Hallows'" is found in Old English (ealra hālgena mæssedæg, all saints mass-day), "All Hallows' Eve" is itself not seen until 1556.[28][29]


25: "Online Etymology Dictionary: Halloween". Etymonline.com. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

26: The A to Z of Anglicanism (Colin Buchanan), Scarecrow Press, page 8

27: The American Desk Encyclopedia (Steve Luck), Oxford University Press, page 365

28: The Oxford English Dictionary (2nd ed.). Oxford: Oxford Univ. Press. 1989. ISBN 0-19-861186-2.

29: "DOST: Hallow Evin". Dsl.ac.uk. Archived from the original on 29 April 2014. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

The Word of Matthew according to Google.
Not impressive at all...

[Sassy]

The word Halloween or Hallowe'en dates to about 1745[25] and is of Christian origin.[26] The word "Halloween" means "hallowed evening" or "holy evening".[27] It comes from a Scottish term for All Hallows' Eve (the evening before All Hallows' Day).[28] In Scots, the word "eve" is even, and this is contracted to e'en or een. Over time, (All) Hallow(s) E(v)en evolved into Halloween. Although the phrase "All Hallows'" is found in Old English (ealra hālgena mæssedæg, all saints mass-day), "All Hallows' Eve" is itself not seen until 1556.[28][29]


25: "Online Etymology Dictionary: Halloween". Etymonline.com. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

26: The A to Z of Anglicanism (Colin Buchanan), Scarecrow Press, page 8

27: The American Desk Encyclopedia (Steve Luck), Oxford University Press, page 365

28: The Oxford English Dictionary (2nd ed.). Oxford: Oxford Univ. Press. 1989. ISBN 0-19-861186-2.

29: "DOST: Hallow Evin". Dsl.ac.uk. Archived from the original on 29 April 2014. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

Why go to all that trouble googling.  People could have done it themselves - if they were remotely interested!

Ha Ha... where two witnesses agree. Had to laugh when I saw this Bash. Look at the post before this one. LOL.

[Hope]

The word Halloween or Hallowe'en dates to about 1745[25] and is of Christian origin.[26] The word "Halloween" means "hallowed evening" or "holy evening".[27] It comes from a Scottish term for All Hallows' Eve (the evening before All Hallows' Day).[28] In Scots, the word "eve" is even, and this is contracted to e'en or een. Over time, (All) Hallow(s) E(v)en evolved into Halloween. Although the phrase "All Hallows'" is found in Old English (ealra hālgena mæssedæg, all saints mass-day), "All Hallows' Eve" is itself not seen until 1556.[28][29]


25: "Online Etymology Dictionary: Halloween". Etymonline.com. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

26: The A to Z of Anglicanism (Colin Buchanan), Scarecrow Press, page 8

27: The American Desk Encyclopedia (Steve Luck), Oxford University Press, page 365

28: The Oxford English Dictionary (2nd ed.). Oxford: Oxford Univ. Press. 1989. ISBN 0-19-861186-2.

29: "DOST: Hallow Evin". Dsl.ac.uk. Archived from the original on 29 April 2014. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

And your point is ...?  Remember that the term Hallowe'en may date to 1745, but the idea dates back to the early church when All Hallows Day was instituted.

[Owlswing]

The word Halloween or Hallowe'en dates to about 1745[25] and is of Christian origin.[26] The word "Halloween" means "hallowed evening" or "holy evening".[27] It comes from a Scottish term for All Hallows' Eve (the evening before All Hallows' Day).[28] In Scots, the word "eve" is even, and this is contracted to e'en or een. Over time, (All) Hallow(s) E(v)en evolved into Halloween. Although the phrase "All Hallows'" is found in Old English (ealra hālgena mæssedæg, all saints mass-day), "All Hallows' Eve" is itself not seen until 1556.[28][29]


25: "Online Etymology Dictionary: Halloween". Etymonline.com. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

26: The A to Z of Anglicanism (Colin Buchanan), Scarecrow Press, page 8

27: The American Desk Encyclopedia (Steve Luck), Oxford University Press, page 365

28: The Oxford English Dictionary (2nd ed.). Oxford: Oxford Univ. Press. 1989. ISBN 0-19-861186-2.

29: "DOST: Hallow Evin". Dsl.ac.uk. Archived from the original on 29 April 2014. Retrieved 13 October 2013.

And your point is ...?  Remember that the term Hallowe'en may date to 1745, but the idea dates back to the early church when All Hallows Day was instituted.

And Celtic Paganism predates that!