Author Topic: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it  (Read 22692 times)

Shaker

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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #125 on: February 01, 2016, 07:59:19 PM »
Nice avoidance!
No, it's no avoidance.

Part of it is to do with why you're so interested given that you allege to claim to purport that this isn't your final spiritual home any more. Which it was once, apparently ::)
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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #126 on: February 01, 2016, 08:35:58 PM »
Moderator:

Enough of the insults please gents, since further escalation just isn't acceptable. 

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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #127 on: February 01, 2016, 08:41:45 PM »
Well, proof positive that you've given up even a pretence of a rational conversation. Never mind; it was a fun evening while you were still pretending.

If you could drmonstrate your claim regarding Roman Catholicism per se and the Holocaust...but it's clear you're avoiding doing so, so forgive me if I refuse to take you seriously.
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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2016, 09:49:49 PM »
If you could drmonstrate your claim regarding Roman Catholicism per se and the Holocaust...but it's clear you're avoiding doing so, so forgive me if I refuse to take you seriously.

I don't understand what work the phrase "Roman Catholicism per se" is doing in this sentence.

If you want evidence of the long, wearisome and sorrowful history of anti-Semitism within Christianity, that's easily findable with a quick Google. I've already referred to this.

If you want evidence of Eugenio Pacelli's anti-Semitic sentiments, that's easily findable with a quick Google. I've already referred to this.

If you want evidence of the efforts of high-ranking Catholic figures is aiding and abetting Nazi war criminals to evade justice at the end of the Second World War, that's easily findable with a quick Google. I've already referred to this.

If you are under such a misapprehension as to think that I get all my information via a quick Google, no - I'm using these references as the quickest and nearest and easiest sources for you to uncover/discover the kind of information to which I'm referring with regard to Catholic complicity in genocide, genocide of Jews especially and particularly.

Not that this should matter to you this year, right?
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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #129 on: February 02, 2016, 02:55:59 AM »
Pius XII, despite being an ultramontane despot, had a pretty good record during WWII. "Hitler's pope" is a modern myth. There never has been inherent antisemitism within the Roman Church. Desiring the Jews to convert, believing the old covenant to be void (having been nailed to the cross with Christ Col. 2:14) and that the Church is the one true Israel of God Luke 20:9-16 does not amount to antisemitism. Yes, you will find Roman Catholics who were antisemitic, just as you will find pagans and atheists who were, but that's no more the fault of Roman Catholicism than paganism or atheism. Now get that through your thick skull or are you going to suddenly admit that atheism is directly responsible for the Holocaust? Oh please do! ::)
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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #130 on: February 02, 2016, 08:53:58 AM »
What do "arse" (sanctimonious or Christian, whatever), and "fuck off" have to do with:
"More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it"?

I agree that more Anglicans do support equal marriage than oppose it, ditto other Christian congregations though it is Anglicans who are the subject of this thread.
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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #131 on: February 02, 2016, 09:01:05 AM »
Moderator:

Good point, Brownie.

Therefore I'm going to remove the more contentious recent posts (from last evening onwards) in the hope that the thread recovers and if not, and there is any further friction at all, then it will be locked. 

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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #132 on: February 02, 2016, 09:07:57 AM »
Good idea Mr Moderator but 'fraid it hasn't worked  :)!  On the other thread, which has five posts, I just got the following message:  "The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you."   Something has gone wrong.

Edit:  Now it has disappeared.  Methinks that perhaps that was the intention so I will say no more about it.
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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #133 on: February 02, 2016, 09:18:29 AM »
Good idea Mr Moderator but 'fraid it hasn't worked  :)!  On the other thread, which has five posts, I just got the following message:  "The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you."   Something has gone wrong.

Edit:  Now it has disappeared.  Methinks that perhaps that was the intention so I will say no more about it.

Moderator:

Yep - when posts are split they form a new thread on the same Board and you had tried to access this at the point this new thread very briefly appeared prior to it being moved out of view.

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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #134 on: February 02, 2016, 09:30:41 AM »
Oh, very droll! Hell, eternal damnation. However, when it comes to things spiritual you couldn't tell the difference between Liebfraumilch and a can of Tizer.

How does anyone? I can do a spectral analysis of liquids to see what different frequencies of light are reflected or refracted, I can do hydroscopy measurements to detect differences in density and viscosity, I can do various chemical tests to determine the different components of the two liquids, I can taste them... there are tests that can be done to decide the differences between Liebraumilch and Tizer.

How do you test spiritual claims to see what the difference is? How do you determine that the Orthodox Christian depiction of Hell is correct but the Greek depiction of Hades is incorrect?

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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #135 on: February 02, 2016, 09:35:23 AM »
How does anyone? I can do a spectral analysis of liquids to see what different frequencies of light are reflected or refracted, I can do hydroscopy measurements to detect differences in density and viscosity, I can do various chemical tests to determine the different components of the two liquids, I can taste them... there are tests that can be done to decide the differences between Liebraumilch and Tizer.

How do you test spiritual claims to see what the difference is? How do you determine that the Orthodox Christian depiction of Hell is correct but the Greek depiction of Hades is incorrect?

O.

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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #136 on: February 02, 2016, 09:39:41 AM »
For those with eyes to see, one looks to the life of the Church and their is your evidence, by their fruits you shall know them.

That's lovely, but none of the churches I know of have people from hell that you can talk to.

As to 'by their fruits you shall know them' I see international organisations with huge reserves of land and wealth telling their followers to seek humility and meekness as the way forward and castigated materialism...

Those with eyes to see what, exactly?

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Re: More Anglicans support equal marriage than oppose it
« Reply #137 on: February 02, 2016, 09:46:25 AM »
For those with eyes to see, one looks to the life of the Church and their is your evidence, by their fruits you shall know them.

Does that include swearing at people on messageboards?

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