Resurrection

[floo]

Bathroom fittings - one good reason to stop being Victoria Plum, I was fed up with seeing my nickname on the TV adverts.  I thought you knew me Mr Shaker!  You left out Premier (the old forum and the latest one, both now closed), and the BBC R&E forum which is where I started on forums.  Great days they were.  This forum is pretty good though, lively and diverse.

I wondered why you had changed your name as you have used Victoria Plum for so long. Have you changed it on St Thads assuming if you still post there? Why Brownie, were you one as a kid?

So many of the old forums have closed!

[Brownie]

I was born a Brown, floo.  Yes I stopped being VP a little while ago.  Most people knew my name anyway and VP seemed like a silly name after all these years.  When I first adopted it it seemed OK but that was thirteen years ago.  I always liked your old nickname, Tagnefedd.  It was so different and suited you very well.

I thought forums were fading out because more people seem to prefer Facebook but this one is lively enough.  There are better discussions on forums so let's hope this one keeps going.

[floo]

I was born a Brown, floo.  Yes I stopped being VP a little while ago.  Most people knew my name anyway and VP seemed like a silly name after all these years.  When I first adopted it it seemed OK but that was thirteen years ago.  I always liked your old nickname, Tagnefedd.  It was so different and suited you very well.

I thought forums were fading out because more people seem to prefer Facebook but this one is lively enough.  There are better discussions on forums so let's hope this one keeps going.

I don't know that Tangnefedd suited me that well as it means 'peace' in Welsh!

[Dicky Underpants]

Thanks, I'm not really  .  Anyway we've met before Richard, in other places.  Can't remember which.  I didn't use the name ''Brownie'' elsewhere, I was Victoria Plum. I was LyndaB on here but had a long break, came back last May and couldn't log in without changing my name - hence 'Brown' - 'Brownie'.  Yet if I do have to log in here, I still have to put LyndaB in as my username!  I cannot fathom it.  Never mind.  See you later.

Victoria Plum! 'Pon my word! Though, to tell the truth, your name had crossed my mind whilst reading your posts. I don't remember reading much of your LyndaB incarnation. Anyway, good to see you still around.

[Brownie]

Yeah, still living and breathing oh Mr Y'fronts.  Good to see you too.
Tangnefedd suited you well floo, a very pleasant. charming, Welsh name and I've no doubt you like peace as much as the next one.  None of us are peaceful all the time!  I still think of you as 'Tang'.  It is fourteen years, not thirteen, since I first posted on the BBC and you were a great poster, lots of fun.

Dicky, I probably didn't post much when this forum first started (& I was LyndaB) - just a bit I think.  I was interested because it sought to replicate the old BBC forum.   Then I faded away and actually forgot about it.  It was floo who reminded me I had been a member and, quite a while after that, I came back, initially to tell floo something that I thought would interest her.  Then I got hooked  .  As you do.

Very pleased to see people I knew from other forums, some more than others, eg floo, Leonard, Sass, Shaker and yourself.  There are others whose names I recognise but don't remember much about.

Anyway back to the Resurrection.  Easter in two weeks today!

[Dicky Underpants]

Anyway back to the Resurrection.  Easter in two weeks today!

Anyway, back to resurrection.

Well trodden ground here, with the debaters taking up typically entrenched camps in opposition to each other. "Jesus rose from the dead" or "Dead bodies stay dead".

There is, of course, the position argued by extreme liberal Christians (usually pooh-pooed by traditional believers as nothing more than atheists). One of this type of Christian was John Shelby Spong, who argued in several books a different view.

Using approaches from the Hebrew interpretive tradition to discern the actual events surrounding Jesus' death, Bishop Spong questions the historical validity of literal narrative concerning the Resurrection. He asserts that the resurrection story was born in an experience that opened the disciples' eyes to the reality of God and the meaning of Jesus of Nazareth. Spong traces the Christian origins of anti-Semitism to the Church's fabrication of the ultimate Jewish scapegoat, Judas Iscariot. He affirms the inclusiveness of the Christian message and emphasizes the necessity of mutual integrity and respect among Christians and Jews.

(blurb about "Resurrection: Myth or Reality?" by J.S.Spong, pub. 1995)
www.goodreads.com › Religion › Theology

[Rhiannon]

IIRC Marcus Borg had a similar idea - that the Resurrection should be seen as s spiritual rather than a physical event.

It's really quite mind-blowing to consider how human history would look different were it not for the accidental way in which this Jewish apocalyptic prophet became God on the Cross.

[wigginhall]

Dicky, interesting post.  Wasn't there a bishop who asked if you could have videoed the resurrection, and said, no?   Can't remember who.   

[Rhiannon]

Borg's blog. Worth a rummage.

http://www.marcusjborg.com/2011/05/16/the-resurrection-of-jesus/

Liberal Christianity lost one of its most accessible writers with his passing.

[Dicky Underpants]

IIRC Marcus Borg had a similar idea - that the Resurrection should be seen as s spiritual rather than a physical event.

It's really quite mind-blowing to consider how human history would look different were it not for the accidental way in which this Jewish apocalyptic prophet became God on the Cross.

Rhiannon

Whether that process of mythologizing was accidental or not is still a subject for debate Ehrman has suggested in recent books that it involved a degree of deliberate deception (which I'm not so sure about).
However, the discrepancies in the gospel narratives - let alone the differing take on the matter in St Paul - have long given scholars cause for thought on what the nature of the Resurrection might have been. A literal approach falls at the first fence - St John seems to want to have it both ways: a physical resurrection with all the stigmata, and yet a physical body that can pass through walls. And then there's the small matter of St Paul's express statement that "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God". Okay, some might say - so there was no 'resurrection of the body' - next question...
The question is the one that Spong, Tillich, and apparently Borg have grappled with. These arguments certainly lack popular appeal (especially for those for whom this is an essentially binary argument). Jesus certainly appeared to be 'living in the hearts' of the early Christians - and no doubt does so to those for whom Jesus has supreme meaning today. I don't know how one can get beyond that - if Jesus is living for you in some way, and inspires you to do good, then one could hardly complain. This approach seemed to work for Albert Schweitzer.

[Dicky Underpants]

Dicky, interesting post.  Wasn't there a bishop who asked if you could have videoed the resurrection, and said, no?   Can't remember who.

David Jenkins, perhaps (grossly misunderstood man, BTW). The latter actually did believe in a real, spiritual resurrection, not just a 'metaphorical one which had meaning to the early Christians'. He just accepted you couldn't accept the gospel accounts as definitive or truly descriptive, since they are so contradictory.