Your example is wrong but point is correct. The main reasons were about political union, demographic deficit, ability to create our free trade deals. You are right there were economic considerations and although Davey's credible reports had an agenda which undermined their credibility I still read them and took them into account. After all they all claimed if we left the EU we would still be richer than we are now by 2030.
Davey and others will all say that is not the important claim but it was important to me and my vote.
It's certainly going to be interesting to watch what Leave do with trade negotiations and free movement of labour. Presumably some Remain groups will utilise the media to publish their own inaccurate claims or criticise from the sidelines, as the Leave campaign did.
Wondering also how Leave navigate less political union, more fragmentation within the UK and Europe as diverse groups want their views taken into consideration in decision-making. Whether we will see more social activists taking direct action - like the releasing of cockroaches at Byron Burger as a protest against crack downs on illegal immigration. Or maybe that was a protest against big businesses. It will be interesting to see if in the midst of Brexit there can be a perception of national freedom and a curb on immigration and profits by big businesses that ordinary people will feel more than compensates them for short-term job losses or hits to the economy.
Not met meany people who are pragmatic about being viewed as racist, interesting.
Well, not talking about racial violence but IME people from ethnic minority groups are not too bothered about expressing racist views to each other amongst their own communities - they are quite open about wanting to preserve certain aspects of their culture, which they have an emotional attachment to or feel is superior, rather than adopt cultural behaviour or attitudes from another ethnic group. And again IME they can equally understand why people from other ethnic backgrounds (including white English/ Welsh / Scottish/ Irish) might feel the same way about their own cultures and sub-cultures.
I support tolerance - it can be liberating not having to be PC - sentences tend to be shorter and to the point, and often quite funny. I was surprised to be asked by the parent (white English) of my daughter's friend, whether it was ok to let her child watch the comedy, Citizen Khan, as they thought it was racist or anti-Muslim in some way. My kid regularly watches it and many other programmes that poke fun at every group, including white English people.
Don't really disagree but the strain on the NHS is going to be directly related to the services it offers and the total population, if people are fat, get diabetes and die young they are not going to get old and get dementia.
You can argue that with better healthcare and healthy living that there is a demographic problem but if we have an issue with human population this is a phase we are going to need to go through. Lets say you need 5 people working paying taxes to support one retired and currently we have 4, importing an extra 1 solves the issue for now, but fast forward 30 years you have an extra person retiring..... not sure.
I think the problem for the NHS is that people have higher expectations for management of ill-health and at the same time don't die quickly enough (putting emotions aside). I think the ethics around competing claims for increases in expensive medical technology and expensive drugs, long-term treatment options and research is the issue as opposed to immigration so I think it's a shame there were false statements made about the NHS and immigration to influence the vote during the Brexit campaign. As opposed to focusing on options such as the ethics of withdrawing treatments or letting people die to free up resources, manage resources more efficiently or get in more tax payers (immigrants) today to delay the inevitable of having to eventually privatise a lot of the NHS treatments.
Efficiency seems to be a problem for Britain, which is often the reason why it is not competitive in the manufacturing sector. I'm not sure which is more palatable to the voters out of curbing immigration, raising personal taxes, not withdrawing NHS treatments and research OR curbing immigration, not raising personal taxes and withdrawing many NHS treatments and research.