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Re: Molecular Evolution
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2016, 12:13:01 AM »
One wonders why it doesn't continue today then. Surely this should be observable rather than a thing of the past. If carbon 'promiscuity is as you say a factor. How does a chemical reaction become extinct?
Well one possibility is that it is simply too rare. It took something like a billion years to get started the first time and that was in conditions where there weren't already self replicating machines hoovering up all the useful molecules.
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Re: Molecular Evolution
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2016, 12:31:17 AM »
No, they have to be more familiar to the audience.
I would argue that the blueprint metaphor is simply wrong. A recipe would be a little bit better, but it still suffers if you take it to far.
recipe implies chosen ingredients to make a specific item to most folk

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Re: Molecular Evolution
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2016, 06:38:10 AM »
One wonders why it doesn't continue today then. Surely this should be observable rather than a thing of the past. If carbon 'promiscuity is as you say a factor. How does a chemical reaction become extinct?

Chemical reactions don't go extinct, of course, whatever happens in a test tube will happen in the wild.  RNA is still present, indeed it is used by DNA in protein synthesis and some chemists regard the continued presence of RNA as a kind of fossil record of an earlier world.  But present conditions on Earth are utterly different to those that led to 'RNA World', now full blooded biology has been operating for three billion years and as a result the overwhelming majority of planetary carbon is now locked into subsurface carbonate rocks like limestone.  Also we now have photosynthesis producing continuous atmospheric oxygen so whatever free carbon becomes available quickly enters back into living things through full biological processes which have effectively superseded the more limited pre-life biochemical processes of earlier times.
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Re: Molecular Evolution
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2016, 07:19:48 AM »
Torri

I think a lot of confusion arises in this subject because of the terms used in trying to describe it to the lay person . There seems to be a tendency to anthropomorphise concepts which makes it even worse Sometimes scientists need more competent interpreters.
Chemical reactions don't go extinct, of course, whatever happens in a test tube will happen in the wild.  RNA is still present, indeed it is used by DNA in protein synthesis and some chemists regard the continued presence of RNA as a kind of fossil record of an earlier world.  But present conditions on Earth are utterly different to those that led to 'RNA World', now full blooded biology has been operating for three billion years and as a result the overwhelming majority of planetary carbon is now locked into subsurface carbonate rocks like limestone.  Also we now have photosynthesis producing continuous atmospheric oxygen so whatever free carbon becomes available quickly enters back into living things through full biological processes which have effectively superseded the more limited pre-life biochemical processes of earlier times.
Yes, I'm wondering though how radically different an environment can be which supports a whole host of self replicating molecules to one which supports two or maybe three.

Secondly since this is just a question of environment then chemical environments, since we cannot be talking of ecology, can be recreated.

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Re: Molecular Evolution
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2016, 10:34:26 AM »
Yes, I'm wondering though how radically different an environment can be which supports a whole host of self replicating molecules to one which supports two or maybe three.

Secondly since this is just a question of environment then chemical environments, since we cannot be talking of ecology, can be recreated.
try that one again ,SPOOF, I cant make head nor tail of it  ???

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Re: Molecular Evolution
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2016, 05:18:26 PM »
quick answer
they don't and nowhere specific .
I think they do. RNA copies the DNA and uses this to start to make proteins. Are you saying they just float around hoping they will come across the right materials to build those proteins? And then those proteins just float around hoping they will just happen to start to create bigger structures with other proteins of the right type?

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Re: Molecular Evolution
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2016, 05:36:42 PM »
I think they do. RNA copies the DNA and uses this to start to make proteins. Are you saying they just float around hoping they will come across the right materials to build those proteins? And then those proteins just float around hoping they will just happen to start to create bigger structures with other proteins of the right type?
yes that's about it, they cant 'know' where they are going.

 I must say I'm at my limit of knowledge on this subject so good luck.