Soft Brexit takes indyref2 off the table

[jakswan]

Obviously her main audience is here but for as long as we remain in the UK someone has to set out the Scottish perspective, and the SNP are that 'someone' given the political picture here. For example, as regards the mainstream UK I'm fed up hearing about UKIP/Farage who are irrelevant here in Scotland along the avoidance that the referendum result here was very different to the very narrow UK one, which gets mentioned as justification for this madness. 

Yes - since what she is saying is a valid position given both the referendum and election results here in Scotland.

Had the disaster last June not happened I doubt indyref2 would be an option: but it did happen thanks to the Tories who in 2014 told us to reject independence if we wanted to stay in the EU - and we do (by 62% vs 38%), so you can see why we might be pissed.

Well we have to tolerate Farage, May, Redwood etc.

You do know the SNP are right wing don't you? The tax policy of the Tories and SNP are very similiair.

I do get it, you bought into the SNP divide and conquer routine, I'm with you by the way I want Scotland out, I'm hopefully not under any illusions though.

Maybe the rUK should start boycotting Scottish goods give them a taste of what is to come.

[JP]

The SNP. How do I describe my perception of them?

To be honest it all really started at the beginning of the first referendum as I had not paid a lot of attention prior to that. Yes I knew of them and a bit of what the stood for but that was about it.

What I know now is that they are a single issue party, the single issue being to make Scotland separate from the UK but as a sideline they also have control of the Scottish parliament. This puts them in a unique position. One in which they have control over many aspects of the policies which affect the country, but also the best get out of jail free card in the world, a world in which they can blame Westminster for anything and everything that does not work or perform as it should, and take credit for everything that does.

Salmond and Sturgeon are past masters at vitriol using the term Westminster when they really mean the English people in Westminster.

It has been interesting to see Sturgeon flying around Europe, Kissenger'esque, fighting the fight for the Scottish people and the people of Scotland. Pity it's all wasted as the EU referendum was a UK referendum and the vote was to leave. "Scotland's" vote in this process is an irrelevance so and from what Theresa May said yesterday is that we are going, no ifs or but's, which is the correct thing to do. I know a lot of you will vigorously disagree with this as has happened in every other thread where Brexit has been mentioned, but we will have to agree to disagree, as you will with the rest of Europe as it would seem that Scotland is not a special case.

So, when we go Nicola will be able to call another referendum immediately as there will be a resounding vote to leave the UK and get negotiating with Europe.

[jakswan]

"Scotland's" vote in this process is an irrelevance

If Scotland had voted 100% to remain that would have changed the vote so it was not an irrelevance.

[JP]

If Scotland had voted 100% to remain that would have changed the vote so it was not an irrelevance.

"If"

[wigginhall]

Interesting that May has not talked of leaving EEA, which may be of course, just her normal Delphic manner, but EEA does permit emergency brake on immigration, and would also soothe the Scots.   Well, maybe.

[Aruntraveller]

Maybe the rUK should start boycotting Scottish goods give them a taste of what is to come.

Not going to happen in my house.

Far too fond of Scotch.

What is it with all this hostility?

[jakswan]

"If"

No they didn't but by not doing so they affected the vote, relevant.

[Jack Knave]

No, I'm not saying it'll continue without a hitch - those are your words - but remember that the EU existed without the Euro for 50-odd years.  Furthermore, the Eurozone is much the EU as the single market is the EU.  They are different things, which have strong, but not inseparable links.

But the big players in the EU are also in the Euro and all those are in pretty a weak state except Germany. And so if the Euro goes down do you think the people, who will suffer even more than they are now, are going to vote for the EU to continue when the whole project has failed? I reckon there'll riots.