The fiver and the fat

[Maeght]

Bully for you!

How grown up.

An you cannot or will not admit that your fellow vegans are becoming more and more vociferouis in their pursuit of an all vegan society!

Irrelevant to this thread and you do not know my views on my fellow vegans.

you are one of those who will not, under any circumstances, be wrong in any way!

That really is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

[Owlswing]

That really is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Oh I have been wrong more times than I have ever been right, but I object to it when some minority, and I don't particularly care what minority decides that its beliefs must take precedence over mine, whatevetr my belioefs on a subject might be,

What the agenda of those who are not trying to force their agenda on everyone else is irrelbvant as the argument is about those who ARE trying to force the agenda be tghey pastafarians, Christians, Freemasons, Muslims, Flat Earthers, Intelligent Designers, Old Uncle TYom Cobley and all!. Just because THEY believe they are right does not make me or anyone else who opposed their view wrong.

If you don't agree with them, i e you believe that they are wrong, why aren't you telling them so, you are quick enough to tell me that I am!   

[Nearly Sane]

Oh I have been wrong more times than I have ever been right, but I object to it when some minority, and I don't particularly care what minority decides that its beliefs must take precedence over mine, whatevetr my belioefs on a subject might be,

What the agenda of those who are not trying to force their agenda on everyone else is irrelbvant as the argument is about those who ARE trying to force the agenda be tghey pastafarians, Christians, Freemasons, Muslims, Flat Earthers, Intelligent Designers, Old Uncle TYom Cobley and all!. Just because THEY believe they are right does not make me or anyone else who opposed their view wrong.

If you don't agree with them, i e you believe that they are wrong, why aren't you telling them so, you are quick enough to tell me that I am!

shiny shiny mirror

[Nearly Sane]

Oh I have been wrong more times than I have ever been right, but I object to it when some minority, and I don't particularly care what minority decides that its beliefs must take precedence over mine, whatevetr my belioefs on a subject might be,

What the agenda of those who are not trying to force their agenda on everyone else is irrelbvant as the argument is about those who ARE trying to force the agenda be tghey pastafarians, Christians, Freemasons, Muslims, Flat Earthers, Intelligent Designers, Old Uncle TYom Cobley and all!. Just because THEY believe they are right does not make me or anyone else who opposed their view wrong.

If you don't agree with them, i e you believe that they are wrong, why aren't you telling them so, you are quick enough to tell me that I am!

stop lying!

[Maeght]

Oh I have been wrong more times than I have ever been right,

I don't doubt that - but you never say so on here.

... but I object to it when some minority, and I don't particularly care what minority decides that its beliefs must take precedence over mine, whatevetr my belioefs on a subject might be,

Which is not what this thread is about.

What the agenda of those who are not trying to force their agenda on everyone else is irrelbvant as the argument is about those who ARE trying to force the agenda be tghey pastafarians, Christians, Freemasons, Muslims, Flat Earthers, Intelligent Designers, Old Uncle TYom Cobley and all!. Just because THEY believe they are right does not make me or anyone else who opposed their view wrong.

If you don't agree with them, i e you believe that they are wrong, why aren't you telling them so, you are quick enough to tell me that I am!

I have stated my position on this thread if you want to take a look back. Also we are not talking about whethere they are right or wrong but about your lazy generalisation about vegans. To clarify, my position is that where there is an alternative which does not involve the suffering of sentient beings then I choose to take that alternative. I think it is correct for people to highlight issues such as the use of animal fats in the manufacture of fivers and their right to campaign to have this changed since there are alternatives. I also think it is within people's right to campaign to increase awareness of veganism and to highlight where animal products are used when there are alternatives as I think there is a great lack of understanding around this. I am against extremisim in veganism as I don't think this helps the argument - I also do think humans come first. If an extreme vegan was posting on here I would respond, but as it stands it is just you with your generalisation about vegans.