Author Topic: What has gone wrong with the world 2  (Read 4757 times)

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Re: What has gone wrong with the world 2
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2017, 01:56:36 PM »
I would have no wish to go back to the past, that is for sure.

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Re: What has gone wrong with the world 2
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2017, 02:06:29 PM »
That isn't on the cards thank goodness floo.
Going back to the article, I too think it was rubbish and the idea is abhorrent, sure we all agree on that if not on other things.
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Re: What has gone wrong with the world 2
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2017, 02:19:53 PM »
The idea isn't worth the effort it takes to think about it. I find the way it's been used in this piece of journalism far more concerning.

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Re: What has gone wrong with the world 2
« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2017, 02:26:46 PM »
It sure is. I wonder if the Telegraph have got some flack over it, hope so.

Found these comments: https://disqus.com/home/discussion/telegraphuk/infanticide_should_be_legal_oxford_experts_say/

(I hadn't noticed before that the article was quite an old one.)
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Re: What has gone wrong with the world 2
« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2017, 07:37:49 PM »
To answer the question posed by the thread title, nothing has gone wrong on this occasion. Just because a group of academics have raised a controversial point doesn't mean there is any chance of it actually happening. In the  UK, we haven't got to the point of accepting that abortion is OK just before birth, never mind just after.

Given that this is entirely theoretical and there is no chance of it ever happening, would somebody like to take a crack at a rational take down of the argument of these academics? All I've seen on this thread so far is arguments from personal revulsion.

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Re: What has gone wrong with the world 2
« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2017, 07:45:09 PM »
I really struggle with the logic of some things.

As I understand it, in terms of our current technology, a premature 24 week infant has an approximately 50% chance of survival if given the correct specialist medical care. But there is a 25% chance that those who survive will encounter some form of health complications during their lives.  Now in such an instance there seems to be no question of allowing nature to take its course and simply leaving this child to die.  The infant is viewed as fully human and such a course of action would be considered highly unethical.

Yet if the mother (and father?) decided at just on 24 weeks in a normal pregnancy that the child was not really wanted, it is seen as perfectly moral and ethical to proceed with an abortion and discard the ‘foetus’. It is considered as no more than some form of living organism, not yet human, and there is no moral or ethical problem in ending its existence.

So is there something extremely remarkable about the process of birth, or a C Section, than transforms an the infant from being a sub-human entity into a human within a matter of a few hours and suddenly produces a whole new set of ethical considerations which we are required to uphold?

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Re: What has gone wrong with the world 2
« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2017, 07:48:47 PM »
No, it is a world that judges individual cases with compassion as best as it can. Life is messy. When I discovered my pregnancies they were all at the very early stages and I could easily have miscarried, which would have devastated me. In the vanishingly unlikely event that I got pregnant now, I wouldn't hesitate to abort at the same stage. Not much later though, but that's my personal boundary.

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Re: What has gone wrong with the world 2
« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2017, 07:50:30 PM »

Yet if the mother (and father?) decided at just on 24 weeks in a normal pregnancy that the child was not really wanted, it is seen as perfectly moral and ethical to proceed with an abortion and discard the ‘foetus’. It is considered as no more than some form of living organism, not yet human, and there is no moral or ethical problem in ending its existence.
The ethical grounds might be questionable but the legal situation is clear. You are not allowed to abort a foetus at twenty four weeks merely because it is "not really wanted".
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Re: What has gone wrong with the world 2
« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2017, 07:59:07 PM »
No, it is a world that judges individual cases with compassion as best as it can. Life is messy. When I discovered my pregnancies they were all at the very early stages and I could easily have miscarried, which would have devastated me. In the vanishingly unlikely event that I got pregnant now, I wouldn't hesitate to abort at the same stage. Not much later though, but that's my personal boundary.
I do not wish to pry into what could be a very personal reason for you holding this position and you are welcome to simply decline to reply.  But, if you are happy to do so, I would be interested to know why you draw your personal boundaries in such a way.

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Re: What has gone wrong with the world 2
« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2017, 06:50:14 AM »
I was waiting for Rhiannon to reply, if she wanted to.
We all have personal boundaries Dave, I certainly do I wouldn't want to be questioned about them, I'd assume people would accept that was how I felt. K'm sure you have personal boundaries too. Very personal.
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