We just can wait to be king

[Nearly Sane]

Even as a confirmed republican, I can't see anything wrong with this sentiment.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40363063

[floo]

Even as a confirmed republican, I can't see anything wrong with this sentiment.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40363063

I wouldn't wish that status on anyone, it is not an easy position to fulfil.

[Rhiannon]

I'm struck by how he hated walking behind his mother's coffin. I felt at the time (and I know that feelings aren't reliable) that it was a direst response to the press' and by extension the country's demand that the RF be seen to be grieving for public consumption. Hence the moronic 'where is our queen?' shit when she was with her grandsons at home following the death of Diana, much as any grandmother would be.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes, given that much ire was directed at how the RF had 'treated' Diana, those directing it seemed to want the worst excesses of the issue visited upon her children for their own 'grief'. I know that there is a thread of opinion that Diana's death gave rise to a new mawkishness in the UK but it's always been about and our attitude to the RF has always seemed dysfunctional.

[Rhiannon]

I remember the atmosphere in London was quite hostile when Diana died. You had to be shown to be 'grieving enough'. I think that the excessive and tawdry 'grieving' damaged her legacy almost beyond repair. She seems to be something of an embarrassment to the very press that encouraged all the hand wringing.

Maybe some people felt that destroying the RF was what Diana herself would have wanted. The children were forgotten. I think they are both good young men, and William's wife is just what they both needed.

[Nearly Sane]

There's an element in the worshipping of the monarch that ties into the idea of scapegoating, which arguably is part of the motivation behind the story of the crucifixion. Your leader becomes a sin eater and symbolic of the people. Somehow the death of Diana released that - perhaps not surprisingly given the whole weird emphasis on her youth and virginity that the media got immensely puerile about when she and Chuck got engaged and married.


I'm not a republican because I object to the life of 'privilege', rather that it encourages a weird relationship to the establishment based around this symbolism, and it seems like a cruel and unusual punishment for most people who are born into the soap opera. 

[Walter]

There's an element in the worshipping of the monarch that ties into the idea of scapegoating, which arguably is part of the motivation behind the story of the crucifixion. Your leader becomes a sin eater and symbolic of the people. Somehow the death of Diana released that - perhaps not surprisingly given the whole weird emphasis on her youth and virginity that the media got immensely puerile about when she and Chuck got engaged and married.


I'm not a republican because I object to the life of 'privilege', rather that it encourages a weird relationship to the establishment based around this symbolism, and it seems like a cruel and unusual punishment for most people who are born into the soap opera.

well said , at least that's one sentiment  we can agree on !

[Anchorman]

I'm struck by how he hated walking behind his mother's coffin. I felt at the time (and I know that feelings aren't reliable) that it was a direst response to the press' and by extension the country's demand that the RF be seen to be grieving for public consumption. Hence the moronic 'where is our queen?' shit when she was with her grandsons at home following the death of Diana, much as any grandmother would be.

Not only that - Lizzie was in her kingdom. She was in Scotland.
London is not britain. It isn't even England.

[Anchorman]

Whilst I felt sorry for Diana's sons, I don't think Diana was any loss to this world.

She was no better, no worse, than the family into which she married.
Monarchy is a soap opera, the personalities (or imagined personalities) cannot paper over the fact that we have simply no choice in who is, or is not, our head of state.
I think we should be able to have a say in whom we are supposed to defer to. UI see no reason why those elected to public office, or who choose to serve in the police or forces, should swear allegiance to a person, regardless of how nice - or not - they may be, rather than to the nation or people who elected them.

[Nearly Sane]

Whilst I felt sorry for Diana's sons, I don't think Diana was any loss to this world.

Her work against land mines, and the way she helped changed attitudes to people with AIDS put her well up in the plus column for all her normal human frailties. Was she a saint? No! But did she do more good than harm given her bizarre circumstances? Yes!

[Rhiannon]

Her work against land mines, and the way she helped changed attitudes to people with AIDS put her well up in the plus column for all her normal human frailties. Was she a saint? No! But did she do more good than harm given her bizarre circumstances? Yes!

I was talking to my daughter about this very thing the other night. Maybe for the UK her biggest legacy was with regards to people with AIDS, the fact she would even touch them was startling at the time. No doubt at all that she broke down barriers and I wish she'd be remembered for that more than the destructive (often self-destructive) side of her personality.

A damaged woman who should have married a rugby playing estate agent called Jasper and of whom we should never have heard.

[Aruntraveller]

I think they are both good young men, and William's wife is just what they both needed.

It is just my degenerate, filthy mind that is making this sound worse than it does, isn't it?

[Rhiannon]

It is just my degenerate, filthy mind that is making this sound worse than it does, isn't it?

It is. 

I could have rambled on about it all but I think the best way of putting it is that Harry seems to have found a true friend in Cath (not Kate, from the interviews in which he talks about her) Bottom line is, we all need those.

[Robbie]

Her work against land mines, and the way she helped changed attitudes to people with AIDS put her well up in the plus column for all her normal human frailties. Was she a saint? No! But did she do more good than harm given her bizarre circumstances? Yes!

Definitely & much of that can be seen in her sons. I liked the way she visibly matured & came into her own. Her death was a terrible tragedy but what she left behind is worthy. Peopled liked Diana because she had visible human frailties.

[Rhiannon]

I didn't like her at all. She still did good stuff. And she was still a mother of two boys who weren't ready to lose her.

[Rhiannon]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/22/fall-in-hiv-among-gay-men-could-spell-end-for-britains-epidemic-say-experts

Not related exactly but still.

[Robbie]

Good news.