Author Topic: Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana  (Read 11596 times)

torridon

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Re: Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
« Reply #75 on: June 30, 2017, 11:19:25 AM »
This seems weirdly specific. Perception of time surely doesn't need a ceasium clock? That there may be differences in how we perceive time and indeed ourselves is trivially true. But the assumption that our experience has nothing in common in terns of our perception of time seems odd. We have had AB on the Searching for God thread continually banging on about how all non human animals are simply reactive, and that being challenged strongly by torridon.

When the links to the orangutan making the hammock, or the monkey trying to resuscitate its electrocuted companion, or the elephants saving the baby elephant when it falls into the water, these seem to me to need a fairly rich concept of time to allow for cause and effect, and intentional actions to take place.

On animals 'merely reacting' I object principally to the implication that they are essentially insentient beings with no inner experience involved in their responses; biological robots in other words. I would argue that the responses of most higher animals are mediated through the mechanisms of emotion as they are for us. So, when a squirrel buries nuts in the autumn, it does so because it wants to, a complex inner emotional state, an evolved instinctive behaviour, but it is not cognitively forward planning in the way that we would plan for winter, knowing what is coming. It is living in the moment. Some animals however do seem to be able to cognitively factor in the future and to use imagination and what-if thinking to guide their behaviours, chimps, corvids, orangs etc perhaps. Taken across the animal kingdom as a whole, these are the exceptions rather than the rule, most creatures survive on basically instinctive behaviours.
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Re: Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
« Reply #76 on: July 01, 2017, 07:17:38 AM »


I obviously don't agree with the idea that animals are insentient.  I think they have consciousness and a Self too. They are just at a lower stage of development because of which their consciousness is not as complex as ours is.

It is a spectrum again. Some animals could start developing the rudimentary aspects of our complex intellectual capabilities.

I think there is no distinct and clear demarcation between animals and humans. There are lots of qualities and capabilities that probably start off in some higher animals and then develop further in humans.

As far as Time is concerned, though some animals have been known to perform complex tasks, whether they actually understand Time in its abstract form I am not sure. I don't think so.