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Maeght

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2017, 11:36:46 AM »
From the description of the methodology the study sounds very odd.

Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2017, 12:05:40 PM »
You'll have no problem reading this then:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/29/no-a-new-study-doesnt-show-atheists-are-more-closed-minded-than-believers/
I've read it. The most useful thing were the quotes from the study rather than the optimistic for atheism (They obviously have overlooked Dawkinsian injunctions to tolerate less) tone of the in between bits.

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2017, 12:57:10 PM »
From the description of the methodology the study sounds very odd.
It is - imagine you were a participant and the statement was:

“Ensuring equality for people regardless of their race is a positive advance for society”

I would give that my wholehearted support. I would feel pretty uncomfortable proving 'arguments against' that statement, but perhaps could - I would, however be unable, on principle, to provide any support whatsoever for any argument against. Yet if I did this, nail my colours to the mast of race equality which most people would conclude to be a cornerstone of tolerance, I would be indicated to be intolerant under this methodology.

It is bizarre.
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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2017, 02:24:24 PM »
I have noticed that this thread became very rapidly unpopular .......snigger.

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2017, 02:29:21 PM »
I have noticed that this thread became very rapidly unpopular .......snigger.
That's nice, dear! Do you want custard creams with your tea?

Maeght

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2017, 06:23:38 PM »
It is - imagine you were a participant and the statement was:

“Ensuring equality for people regardless of their race is a positive advance for society”

I would give that my wholehearted support. I would feel pretty uncomfortable proving 'arguments against' that statement, but perhaps could - I would, however be unable, on principle, to provide any support whatsoever for any argument against. Yet if I did this, nail my colours to the mast of race equality which most people would conclude to be a cornerstone of tolerance, I would be indicated to be intolerant under this methodology.

It is bizarre.

Not sure about the use of the word tolerance eitheer. Just because you hold a strong position and can see no arguments for other positions does thst make you intolerant?

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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2017, 06:27:10 PM »
I have noticed that this thread became very rapidly unpopular .......snigger.

Yes, I noticed how noses were turned up, at the thought of reading the link 😂

No wonder some of the issues here are completely one sided  :D

They turn their nose up.

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2017, 06:34:20 PM »
Yes, I noticed how noses were turned up, at the thought of reading the link 😂

No wonder some of the issues here are completely one sided  :D

They turn their nose up.
Or perhaps here, in Prof D's case provide an interesting analysis? Rather than a 'snigger'!

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« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2017, 06:38:10 PM »
Or perhaps here, in Prof D's case provide an interesting analysis? Rather than a 'snigger'!

Yes he did, but no one else did  :D

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2017, 06:47:35 PM »
Yes he did, but no one else did  :D
Which is not the sane as saying 'people turned up their noses the thought of reading the link' . Did everyone else do that?

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2017, 06:53:16 PM »
Yes he did, but no one else did  :D

He did a good job too; a critique sufficient to treat this paper with caution to extent of not taking it seriously (for the reasons outlined by Prof D).

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2017, 06:58:46 PM »
He did a good job too; a critique sufficient to treat this paper with caution to extent of not taking it seriously (for the reasons outlined by Prof D).
Frankly I am struggling to see how on earth you can work out whether people are tolerant or intolerant based on responses to the following three statements:

“Child adoption by homosexual couples is a positive advance for society”
“The meaning of life is something entirely personal”
“In a house, rooms must be painted with light colors”


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« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2017, 07:01:02 PM »
Which is not the sane as saying 'people turned up their noses the thought of reading the link' . Did everyone else do that?

Yes read the posts.

Turning up their noses is an expression btw, not literal...... ::)

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« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2017, 07:02:00 PM »
Frankly I am struggling to see how on earth you can work out whether people are tolerant or intolerant based on responses to the following three statements:

“Child adoption by homosexual couples is a positive advance for society”
“The meaning of life is something entirely personal”
“In a house, rooms must be painted with light colors”

No especially the last one.

Lol


Nearly Sane

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2017, 07:02:57 PM »
Yes read the posts.

Turning up their noses is an expression btw, not literal...... ::)
So did everyone else do that metaphorically?

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« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2017, 08:06:34 PM »
So did everyone else do that metaphorically?

Look for yourself!

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2017, 08:23:01 PM »
Look for yourself!
Your burden of proof.

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2017, 11:02:25 AM »
Yes, I noticed how noses were turned up, at the thought of reading the link 😂

No wonder some of the issues here are completely one sided  :D

They turn their nose up.

I certainly hope you aren't including me in those who 'turned up' their noses at the thought of reading the link, because that would be untrue. I read the whole of it, and then did a little research, which uncovered another link, which I duly brought to your attention(Post 20). I'm sure, in the interests of critical fairness, you also read my link, which included comments and thoughts from one of the authors of the study, Filip Uzarevic.

Incidentally, I also was impressed by Prof Davey's account, which I thought was thoughtful and well balanced.
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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2017, 10:44:35 PM »
If you want evidence that atheists are open minded and free thinking ....avoid Religionethics forum
... Snork.

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2017, 01:33:25 AM »
If you want evidence that atheists are open minded and free thinking ....avoid Religionethics forum
... Snork.
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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2017, 09:14:35 AM »
There is one poster on here who has shown an interest in leaving on several occasions. But he never really has the courage of his convictions to follow it though, indefinitely.
... and another is in mid-flounce as I write.
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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2017, 09:17:58 AM »
... and another is in mid-flounce as I write.

Awww. I wouldnt ctiticise too much. A flounce every now and then does no harm and is perhaps even necessary for some posters. Cathartic even.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

ProfessorDavey

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2017, 09:18:26 AM »
If you want evidence that atheists are open minded and free thinking ....avoid Religionethics forum
... Snork.
I think this forum is a haven of open mindedness and tolerance.

Look we even tolerate the non-sense you come out with Vlad - and your constant and irritating name changes.

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2017, 09:19:32 AM »
... Snork.
Wasn't he one of the BananaSplits? Is that going to be your next name change Vlad?

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Re: Atheists less tolerant
« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2017, 10:11:19 AM »
Wasn't he one of the BananaSplits? Is that going to be your next name change Vlad?

Iirc that was a word the much-missed (by me at least) johnny canoe used to employ. No originality. Just appropriation.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.