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Nearly Sane

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The non conscious nature of being
« on: December 28, 2017, 10:22:33 AM »


Not just unbearably light but unbearably non conscious.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01924/full

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Re: The non conscious nature of being
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2017, 11:50:18 AM »
I found that unreadable tbh.

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Re: The non conscious nature of being
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 06:45:42 AM »
The word that come to mind while reading this article is ...obfuscating! A deliberate attempt to  make it sound lofty and complex.   :D

However...some sentences stand out and are quite relevant.

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 Despite the compelling subjective experience of executive self-control, we argue that “consciousness” contains no top-down control processes and that “consciousness” involves no executive, causal, or controlling relationship with any of the familiar psychological processes conventionally attributed to it. In our view, psychological processing and psychological products are not under the control of consciousness.

Most of us believe that what we call “consciousness” is responsible for creating and controlling our mental processes and behavior. The traditional folk usage of the term “consciousness” arguably has two aspects: the experience of “consciousness” and the contents of “consciousness”, our thoughts, beliefs, sensations, percepts, intentions, sense of agency, memories, and emotions. Over the past 30 years, there has been a slow but growing consensus among some students of the cognitive sciences that many of the contents of “consciousness,” are formed backstage by fast, efficient non-conscious systems.

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There are many other articles by scientists that bring out the predominant role of the unconscious mind in our lives.  The conscious mind is said to be like a 'broom closet in a mansion' compared to the unconscious mind.

Bold is mine.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2017, 07:00:52 AM by Sriram »

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Re: The non conscious nature of being
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 09:53:13 AM »

Not just unbearably light but unbearably non conscious.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01924/full

Alan's not going to like it  ;)

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Re: The non conscious nature of being
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2017, 10:45:58 AM »
The word that come to mind while reading this article is ...obfuscating! A deliberate attempt to  make it sound lofty and complex.   :D

However...some sentences stand out and are quite relevant.

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 Despite the compelling subjective experience of executive self-control, we argue that “consciousness” contains no top-down control processes and that “consciousness” involves no executive, causal, or controlling relationship with any of the familiar psychological processes conventionally attributed to it. In our view, psychological processing and psychological products are not under the control of consciousness.

Most of us believe that what we call “consciousness” is responsible for creating and controlling our mental processes and behavior. The traditional folk usage of the term “consciousness” arguably has two aspects: the experience of “consciousness” and the contents of “consciousness”, our thoughts, beliefs, sensations, percepts, intentions, sense of agency, memories, and emotions. Over the past 30 years, there has been a slow but growing consensus among some students of the cognitive sciences that many of the contents of “consciousness,” are formed backstage by fast, efficient non-conscious systems.

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There are many other articles by scientists that bring out the predominant role of the unconscious mind in our lives.  The conscious mind is said to be like a 'broom closet in a mansion' compared to the unconscious mind.

Bold is mine.

Don't go cherry picking now : also quite relevant, is their treatment of the 'self', referred to as not a 'thing' but a process, a product of non-conscious function :

The creation of a stable executive reference system, the “self” (Prinz, 2003), is central to our non-executive account of “consciousness” where we see it as another strategic high level product of non-conscious CES systems offering as it does a critical focus point for the personal narrative. In other words, the embodied self or “center of narrative gravity”

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Re: The non conscious nature of being
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2017, 10:47:06 AM »

Not just unbearably light but unbearably non conscious.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01924/full
can you tell me what its all about in 5 sentences otherwise I cant be bothered

best wishes  ;D

Nearly Sane

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Re: The non conscious nature of being
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2017, 02:55:55 PM »
can you tell me what its all about in 5 sentences otherwise I cant be bothered

best wishes  ;D
Who needs 5 sentences?  Two words - shit happens!


For the 5 sentence version I recommend this from the admirable torridon


http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=10333.msg712224#msg712224
« Last Edit: December 29, 2017, 02:58:05 PM by Nearly Sane »

Humph Warden Bennett

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Re: The non conscious nature of being
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2018, 08:56:55 AM »

Not just unbearably light but unbearably non conscious.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01924/full

Sounds like a ten minute opus from a YES album!