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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2018, 04:21:36 PM »

Farmers need to feed the stock in the hills. That means taking a load up a steep hill in winter - sometimes hairy at the best of times, given the climate.
Add on trying to do it in low light conditions and the problem's even worse.
Sheep don't live by the clock, but by the light level, and if the first feed they get is at nine thirty, then that can cause premature abortion.
The only alternative is to bring the whole flock into a barn....but if you're dealing with a flock of over a thousand, you need a bloomin' big barn!
Last year, several farmers were injured on the hills in daylight. Can you imagine how many more would suffer broken limbs in the gloaming before full light over the hills at ten o'clock?
So a farmer just adjusts his or her day accordingly to ensure that the things that need to be done during daylight hours are done during those hours. Changing the clock makes no difference at all, as all of this is under the control of the farmer.

Where there might be an effect is if someone is in a job reliant on daylight, but also reliant on external factors (e.g. trains running, planning regulations etc) that didn't align. So for example if clocks were shifted so that the the precious few hours of daylight in winter started at 7am, but planning regulations prevented building works before 9am, then this would be an issue as two hours of usable daylight would be lost.

But this doesn't apply to a farmer whose work patterns are under their own control.
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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2018, 04:25:47 PM »

Farmers need to feed the stock in the hills. That means taking a load up a steep hill in winter - sometimes hairy at the best of times, given the climate.
Add on trying to do it in low light conditions and the problem's even worse.
Sheep don't live by the clock, but by the light level, and if the first feed they get is at nine thirty, then that can cause premature abortion.
The only alternative is to bring the whole flock into a barn....but if you're dealing with a flock of over a thousand, you need a bloomin' big barn!
Last year, several farmers were injured on the hills in daylight. Can you imagine how many more would suffer broken limbs in the gloaming before full light over the hills at ten o'clock?

Sometimes I need to catch an early flight. I do not expect everyone to adjust the clocks for me. I just get up in time to catch the flight.
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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2018, 05:19:26 PM »
During WW2 they had double summer time the clocks were put on 2hrs. I think they stayed like that all year round, but no doubt I will be corrected if I got that wrong.
I think the clocks were not returned to GMT at the end of summer 1940 and were put forward by another hour the following spring and back by an hour in the autumn until the end of the war.

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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2018, 05:22:01 PM »
1947, in fact.
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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2018, 05:26:11 PM »
1947, in fact.

Maybe one of our more senior posters, like Susan Doris, might remember how well it worked in those days.
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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #55 on: September 01, 2018, 08:41:04 AM »
'F' word me, and I was thinking I was merely a 'B' word. At times though I can be a bit big 'M' small 'f' er word. Could be worse I could be a JRM word!

Hope I didn't offend, NS, not my intention, I just hate it when words are referred to by letter like that in an adult conversation and in a context where to do so manages to both trivialise and give them added power.

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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2018, 09:01:55 AM »
Hope I didn't offend, NS, not my intention, I just hate it when words are referred to by letter like that in an adult conversation and in a context where to do so manages to both trivialise and give them added power.
offend? Heaven forfend! Nah, I was just riffing on the whole alphabet thing.

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« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2018, 09:04:34 AM »
offend? Heaven forfend! Nah, I was just riffing on the whole alphabet thing.

Yeah, I got that, but even so. Cool.

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« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2018, 09:08:11 AM »
Yeah, I got that, but even so. Cool.
I was just pleased to stick forfend in a post. Anyway back to topic, the whole idea of some standard working day in daylight hours seems archaic.

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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2018, 10:02:57 AM »
 

Try weorking on the land, producing food or milk.
You'll sing a different song, especially in Scotland.
As I previously said, there aren’t many people doing that and if 5am is too early, get up at 6 instead.

Let me tell you a secret: putting the clocks back does not actually increase the amount of daylight available.
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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #60 on: September 01, 2018, 10:05:23 AM »

Yep.
I remember going to school in the pitch dark.
The sun only arose around 9:30, and full dawn by 10:00 am - and that was only Ayrshire.
It was still dark at 10:15 in Aberdeen and Inverness.

I googled daylight hours in Scotland. On the shortest day of the year, the Sun comes up at around 8.45 and goes down again at around 3.30pm. If we didn’t put the clocks back, it’s still 9.45 and 4.30
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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #61 on: September 01, 2018, 10:08:42 AM »
I googled daylight hours in Scotland. On the shortest day of the year, the Sun comes up at around 8.45 and goes down again at around 3.30pm. If we didn’t put the clocks back, it’s still 9.45 and 4.30
Not disagreeing about the general point but where were the daylight times for? One time for Scotland is not that informative.

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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #62 on: September 01, 2018, 10:16:42 AM »

Farmers need to feed the stock in the hills. That means taking a load up a steep hill in winter - sometimes hairy at the best of times, given the climate.
Add on trying to do it in low light conditions and the problem's even worse.
Sheep don't live by the clock, but by the light level, and if the first feed they get is at nine thirty, then that can cause premature abortion.
The only alternative is to bring the whole flock into a barn....but if you're dealing with a flock of over a thousand, you need a bloomin' big barn!
Last year, several farmers were injured on the hills in daylight. Can you imagine how many more would suffer broken limbs in the gloaming before full light over the hills at ten o'clock?

You realize that you have just invalidated your whole argument? The farmer needs to start work at first light. It doesn’t matter whether you call first light 5am, 6am or unicorn o’clock.
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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #63 on: September 01, 2018, 03:15:55 PM »
Point of information: it is not the EU that has proposed this but the EU Commission. It still has to be approved by the EU states and the EU parliament. I wouldn't normally argue the point but with Brexit, we need to be accurate.

Having said that, I would be in favour of having summer time all year round. I don't like having to bugger around with clocks twice a year and I have seen studies that say lighter afternoons would reduce road deaths.

I work shifts, and would happily stay on GMT all year round so that I can have another month of going to work in the daylight.

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« Reply #64 on: September 01, 2018, 03:28:08 PM »
Why do so many people have a fetish about daylight?
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« Reply #65 on: September 01, 2018, 06:10:20 PM »
It's more that daylight is fundamental to our physical wellbeing. And I know that people who work long hours find that daylight gives the illusion of having something of an evening.

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« Reply #66 on: September 02, 2018, 09:06:27 AM »
So you think it ok to make an unpleasant racist comment using the awful 'n' word do you?
Sarcasm is not a word in your vocabulary, is it?
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« Reply #67 on: September 02, 2018, 09:07:00 AM »
Sarcasm is not a word in your vocabulary, is it?

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« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2018, 09:10:12 AM »
When conspiracy nuts start spouting their bollocks, the best answer is "That's what they want you to think".

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Re: EU proposes ending daylight saving
« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2018, 10:19:36 AM »
Why do so many people have a fetish about daylight?
Who has a fetish about daylight?
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