Religion has stepped on science's turf?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Nope - complete rubbish. His broken neck would have caused by him crashing the car, which might have occurred even if he weren't speeding and regardless of the reason why he was speeding. Alternatively he might not have crashed the car even though he was speeding (and being egocentric against the interests of God, in your words).

There is absolutely no justifiable claim that 'sin' caused his disability in this example.

And of course speeding is an entirely subjectively defined parameter - in other words, we as people, via the law define speed limits. It is hard to see how speeding, therefore, somehow fits the criteria for 'sin'.

Might have beens don't count when a crash caused through egocentric behaviour results in disability.
Since he was only disabled of a few shillings it remains to be seen if there is real repentance or whether he will do it again.

[ProfessorDavey]

Might have beens don't count when a crash caused through egocentric behaviour results in disability.
Since he was only disabled of a few shillings it remains to be seen if there is real repentance or whether he will do it again.

But the crash isn't caused through egocentric behaviour, it is caused by losing control of the car. Someone engaging in egocentric behaviour might not lose control of the car and therefore might not crash so you cannot ascribe cause and effect.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

But the crash isn't caused through egocentric behaviour, it is caused by losing control of the car.

And what was that piece of behaviour due to?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

But the crash isn't caused through egocentric behaviour, it is caused by losing control of the car. Someone engaging in egocentric behaviour might not lose control of the car and therefore might not crash so you cannot ascribe cause and effect.

Tell that to the Judge.

[ProfessorDavey]

Tell that to the Judge.

Who will be considering the legal implications, not sinfulness.

[jeremyp]

You'll have to take that up with Steve.

I did take it up with Steve. Are you paying any attention to this thread at all?

At the point of speeding you chose to ignore the health and safety of others which can cause harm and disability.You detached yourself from any grace or remnant of Gods will for yourself. Unless of course it was the lesser evil.

Nobody was in any danger. The road was straight. In fact the national speed limit sign was clearly visible only 200 meters further down. There were no footpaths or entrances and both sides of the road lined with a steep bank and hedges at the top, so no chance of their being any pedestrians to hit.

Note: I’m not saying my conviction is unfair. I knew the camera was there and went through it at over the speed limit because of a slight lapse of concentration. I’m just saying I didn’t put anybody in danger of a disability.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I did take it up with Steve. Are you paying any attention to this thread at all?Nobody was in any danger. The road was straight. In fact the national speed limit sign was clearly visible only 200 meters further down. There were no footpaths or entrances and both sides of the road lined with a steep bank and hedges at the top, so no chance of their being any pedestrians to hit.

Note: I’m not saying my conviction is unfair. I knew the camera was there and went through it at over the speed limit because of a slight lapse of concentration. I’m just saying I didn’t put anybody in danger of a disability.

OK by me.....you were the man on the ground.

[jeremyp]

Alternatively he might not have crashed the car even though he was speeding (and being egocentric against the interests of God, in your words).

We can answer that hypothetical. God completely failed to make me crash my car or injure myself or anybody else in any way. I*n fact, as a result of my stupidity, West Yorkshire County Council will receive a little bit extra income this year which they can use on schools or rubbish disposal or something.

And of course speeding is an entirely subjectively defined parameter - in other words, we as people, via the law define speed limits. It is hard to see how speeding, therefore, somehow fits the criteria for 'sin'.

I would argue that, in the scenario, I endangered nobody. In fact, thinking about it, the camera would have been better placed on the other side of the T-junction from which I had just emerged.