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Re: Holy Stairs
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2019, 06:41:51 PM »
A minor digression: every time I see this thread title I have the urge to say 'Batman'.

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Re: Holy Stairs
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2019, 07:29:11 PM »
Your thinking is too microscopic, which is why you need metrics for everything.
As soon as you said the positives outweigh the negatives, you introduced metrics into the conversation because your statement implies that the positives and negatives can be quantified and compared.
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Re: Holy Stairs
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2019, 09:13:25 PM »
I can see the effects of religion all around me.
And I trust you are prepared to acknowledge the bad as well as the good in what you see.

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Re: Holy Stairs
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2019, 10:04:41 PM »
As many times before religion doesn't have an effect, it is a symptom of what we are.

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Re: Holy Stairs
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2019, 05:54:10 AM »
And I trust you are prepared to acknowledge the bad as well as the good in what you see.


Everything has its positives and negatives, including science. Same is true of you and me.

Its a question of what we want to see. Some people see mud, some see the stars.

With about 5-6 billion  religious people in this world, we can see that religion has been mainly good, healthy, unifying, peaceful, offering hope and meaning to life.  A few thousand fanatical people get violent doesn't mean religion is itself bad.

That's just the negative way some of you people have been programmed to think.

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Re: Holy Stairs
« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2019, 08:20:25 AM »

Everything has its positives and negatives, including science. Same is true of you and me.

Its a question of what we want to see. Some people see mud, some see the stars.

With about 5-6 billion  religious people in this world, we can see that religion has been mainly good, healthy, unifying, peaceful, offering hope and meaning to life.  A few thousand fanatical people get violent doesn't mean religion is itself bad.

That's just the negative way some of you people have been programmed to think.


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Re: Holy Stairs
« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2019, 09:33:11 AM »
Sriram,

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Everything has its positives and negatives, including science. Same is true of you and me.

That’s debatable, but as it has no relevance to your latest error in thinking (survivorship bias) let’s try at least to focus on that. 

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Its a question of what we want to see. Some people see mud, some see the stars.

No it isn’t. What we want to see is confirmation bias, the enemy of what's actually there to see. It’s the same basic mistake you made when you substituted anecdote (“I have seen some people who…”) for data (“here is the meaningful evidence that…”).

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With about 5-6 billion  religious people in this world, we can see that religion has been mainly good, healthy, unifying, peaceful, offering hope and meaning to life.  A few thousand fanatical people get violent doesn't mean religion is itself bad.

You really, really struggle with even basic reasoning don’t you. We can’t “see” that at all, at least not unless you find some way of turning correlation into causation, and of measuring the difference in outcomes in these indicators between religion vs no religion.   

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That's just the negative way some of you people have been programmed to think.

No, it’s actually the very positive way actual thinking provides rather than the non-thinking in which you specialise. Some advice for you (which you will I’m sure ignore): you’re clearly not a thinker in any meaningful sense, and nor if your continued avoidance of the mistakes you make is anything to go by are you particularly honest. These are matters for you. What you might want to consider though is to stop parading your non-thinking on a blog – publicising it really isn’t helpul to you.   
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Re: Holy Stairs
« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2019, 10:11:31 AM »
With about 5-6 billion  religious people in this world, we can see that religion has been mainly good, healthy, unifying, peaceful, offering hope and meaning to life.  A few thousand fanatical people get violent doesn't mean religion is itself bad.

As blue has already pointed out, we can't 'see' this at all.

That's just the negative way some of you people have been programmed to think.

It is you who is displaying an obvious bias here. I don't know how the positives and negatives of religion compare and I don't think anybody has found a way to find out. However, the negatives obviously go beyond a "few thousand fanatical people".
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Re: Holy Stairs
« Reply #58 on: June 05, 2019, 05:44:06 AM »
It is when the when the story is a claim of fact about the world – like there being a god who will cure little Timmy if you pray hard enough so don’t bother with his medicine. 
 
No mainstream Christian says "don't bother with the medicine" - indeed, the Church pioneered medicine for the poor, and the nursing profession.
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