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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2019, 12:06:27 PM »
I saw that yesterday. In the future maybe they will be able to create a more user friendly device.
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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2019, 12:15:13 PM »
I saw that yesterday. In the future maybe they will be able to create a more user friendly device.
Undoubtedly this will be refined pretty quickly.

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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2019, 02:34:57 PM »
Undoubtedly this will be refined pretty quickly.

That isn't what I heard, it could be many years before that will be the case.
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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2019, 03:00:18 PM »
That isn't what I heard, it could be many years before that will be the case.
  Technology moves fast. This has many benefits beyond this. It will move fast.

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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2019, 03:20:10 PM »
  Technology moves fast. This has many benefits beyond this. It will move fast.

We shall see.
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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2019, 03:23:41 PM »
We shall see.
Yes, we shall but what do you have as an argument against the speed of technological advancement. Or that understanding the drive that will come from this for different applications? Or the amount of money that is pouring into this from the trans humanism supporters.

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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2019, 03:26:25 PM »
Yes, we shall but what do you have as an argument against the speed of technological advancement. Or that understanding the drive that will come from this for different applications? Or the amount of money that is pouring into this from the trans humanism supporters.

It isn't what I am saying, but what I understood to be the case when I viewed that news item.
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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2019, 03:31:57 PM »
It isn't what I am saying, but what I understood to be the case when I viewed that news item.
That makes no sense.

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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2019, 03:38:54 PM »
That makes no sense.

Why? I understood them to say it was in the very early stages of development and would be a good while before it was user friendly.
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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2019, 03:43:29 PM »
Why? I understood them to say it was in the very early stages of development and would be a good while before it was user friendly.
Your sentence made no sense in saying it was something you weren't saying but something you understood, and that's given the fact that you had already said it .

It will be refined and improved quickly because that is what happens. As soon as that happens it is more 'user friendly'.

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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2019, 04:24:40 PM »
Your sentence made no sense in saying it was something you weren't saying but something you understood, and that's given the fact that you had already said it .

It will be refined and improved quickly because that is what happens. As soon as that happens it is more 'user friendly'.

So you said before, but that is not what the news report implied.
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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2019, 04:29:49 PM »
So you said before, but that is not what the news report implied.
A news report isn't something to base an argument on when you appear not to understand the terns used in it. That you cannot actually make an argument other than use the fallacy of the argument by authority, and that authority being a short news report that you haven't really read properly makes this discussion fairly pointless.



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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2019, 04:34:23 PM »
A news report isn't something to base an argument on when you appear not to understand the terns used in it. That you cannot actually make an argument other than use the fallacy of the argument by authority, and that authority being a short news report that you haven't really read properly makes this discussion fairly pointless.

You are always right of course, or so you think! ;D Anyway in your 'informed' opinion how long do you think it will be before the exoskeleton is rolled  out for those in need of it?
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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2019, 11:35:48 AM »
You are always right of course, or so you think! ;D Anyway in your 'informed' opinion how long do you think it will be before the exoskeleton is rolled  out for those in need of it?
Ok, apologies I was being a bit cranky here and to an extent I think we are talking at cross purposes. The point about technology advances like this is that improvement is incremental. The exoskeleton will already have been refined from this but work will have been ongoing, and the very use here will have revealed huge amounts of areas that can be improved quickly.


Further the use of the technology will benefit more  immediately those not in quite such severe paralysis but also for Thibault improvements either in how he controls a wheelchair, or the use of the arms as is covered in the article. These will undoubtedly be improvements for the life of those in this situation. The article presents this as a single problem that needs to be solved because, as with so much of writing about technology, it looks at the big idea.  There will be multiple solutions along the way each of which may well improve someone's life.

Walking is one of the things that those developing robots have struggled with for years but it is better than it was ten years ago, and better than it was 3 months ago.

The other issue is that the term 'user friendly' doesn't really apply here in the sense you use it. It's more about usability which may sound like the same thing but isn't. I could have a great user friendly piece of software but if it processed so slowly that it wasn't useful then that would be a usability issue. The much missed Gonnagle of this parish used to bemoan, while we talked in the sacred realm of Babbity's over tankards of the golden elixir, that people didn't take the time to explain clearly what they meant about subjects such as science, and I accept his rebuke here.


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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2019, 01:31:25 PM »
By user friendly I mean a device that can be used by the recipient on a day to day basis without technology experts controlling it, which appears to be a long way off..
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Re: Paralysed man moves in mind-reading exoskeleton
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2019, 01:39:04 PM »
By user friendly I mean a device that can be used by the recipient on a day to day basis without technology experts controlling it, which appears to be a long way off..
Which is as I covered more about usability.