'Carers can help vulnerable clients visit sex workers'

[BeRational]

And yet at some point you would think drinking was bad based on overall outcomes. Say it killed 50% of the people who started drinking?

At some point yes.

We are talking about different things though. I agree with you that forced prostitution is wrong.

I do not want to remove people's freedom to do whatever they want unless it can be shown to be harmful to the community at large.
So if people want to beat each other and they both consent, I do not understand it, but I would not say they should not be able to do so

[Nearly Sane]

At some point yes.

We are talking about different things though. I agree with you that forced prostitution is wrong.

I do not want to remove people's freedom to do whatever they want unless it can be shown to be harmful to the community at large.
So if people want to beat each other and they both consent, I do not understand it, but I would not say they should not be able to do so

But if forced prostitution  is more likely to happen when you have a system which supports it, then the overall consequences are what you look at. Hence my post earlier with the article on the Nordic Model.

And again, if it is ok for people, mainly men, to buy sex then why would it not be something that a person, mainly women, would not have their benefits sanctioned for refusing to do?

[BeRational]

But if forced prostitution  is more likely to happen when you have a system which supports it, then the overall consequences are what you look at. Hence my post earlier with the article on the Nordic Model.

And again, if it is ok for people, mainly men, to buy sex then why would it not be something that a person, mainly women, would not have their benefits sanctioned for refusing to do?

I am not sure forced prostitution is bound to happen , and I would hope the police would take action.
Prohibiting people freedom do do what they want should not be taken away lightly.

Are you saying there are no sex workers who do it voluntarily and are happy to make money that way. They sell a service

[Nearly Sane]

I am not sure forced prostitution is bound to happen , and I would hope the police would take action.
Prohibiting people freedom do do what they want should not be taken away lightly.

Are you saying there are no sex workers who do it voluntarily and are happy to make money that way. They sell a service

No, I'm not saying that there are no people working as prostitutes who do it willingly.  Forced prostitution happens in all regimes. It is packed with trafficked women, and drug addicted women, and women for whom it is the only choice though they hate it.

The Nordic Model seems the most effective way to reduce tgat. Any answer on the benefits issue?

[BeRational]

No, I'm not saying that there are no people working as prostitutes who do it willingly.  Forced prostitution happens in all regimes. It is packed with trafficked women, and drug addicted women, and women for whom it is the only choice though they hate it.

The Nordic Model seems the most effective way to reduce tgat. Any answer on the benefits issue?

I don't have to show benefit. That is shifting the burden.
Those that want to make it illegal have the burden to say why it should be illegal.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't have to show benefit. That is shifting the burden.
Those that want to make it illegal have the burden to say why it should be illegal.

You seem confused . The benefits  question is about someone having their benefits sanctioned if they were refuse the offer of a job as a prostitute.

[BeRational]

You seem confused . The benefits  is about someone having their benefits sanctioned if they were refuse the offer of a job as a prostitute.

I would  not agree with that

[Nearly Sane]

I would  not agree with that

The problem is if you just go down the 'sex work is work' mantra then that's the only consistent view if you support benefits sanctions for refusing work.

[BeRational]

The problem is if you just go down the 'sex work is work' mantra then that's the only consistent view if you support benefits sanctions for refusing work.

I am not saying that though.

[Nearly Sane]

I am not saying that though.

Do you support benefits sanctions for people who refuse work?

[BeRational]

Do you support benefits sanctions for people who refuse work?

Yes as long as they are able to work.

I would not class prostitution as work though.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes as long as they are able to work.

I would not class prostitution as work though.

So the idea that it's just based around a normal offer to treat as your posts originally indicated isn't what you think. If it isn't work, what is it?

[Owlswing]

 Do you support benefits sanctions for people who refuse work?

Now is you being daft!

There is a difference between a woman refused benefits because she refuses to work as a clerk or bus driver.

A woman who chooses not to work in her own premises at her own choice of hi=urs is NOT NOT NOT being OFFERED work that she can refuse!

Therefore the question of benefits sanctions dies not arise

Owlswing

)O(

[Nearly Sane]

Now is you being daft!

There is a difference between a woman refused benefits because she refuses to work as a clerk or bus driver.

A woman who chooses not to work in her own premises at her own choice of hi=urs is NOT NOT NOT being OFFERED work that she can refuse!

Therefore the question of benefits sanctions dies not arise

Owlswing

)O(

And if she refuses work in a licensed brothel?

[Owlswing]

 And if she refuses work in a licensed brothel?

As long as she is obeying the relevant hygiene laws and is breaking no other laws why must she work in a brothel if she is happy working from home?

Owlswing

)O(

[Nearly Sane]

As long as she is obeying the relevant hygiene laws and is breaking no other laws why must she work in a brothel if she is happy working from home?

Owlswing

)O(

Because that's where the work is being offered.

[SteveH]

And again, if it is ok for people, mainly men, to buy sex then why would it not be something that a person, mainly women, would not have their benefits sanctioned for refusing to do?

It shouldn't be difficult to make a specific exception to the rules.

[Nearly Sane]

It shouldn't be difficult to make a specific exception to the rules.

Why do want a specific exception made?

[Owlswing]

Because that's where the work is being offered.

If that is the case then I would think that the Brothel in question was staffed by prostitutes who wished to work there as any who wished to work from home would do so.

What you seem to be suggesting is the brothel in question was operating illegally with prostitutes under threat, not of their own free will!

As has been said by others I am against any form of coercion but your suggestion seems to imply that the women in the brothel in question were there under force but the prostitute was quoted as being perfectly willing to service the gentleman in question

You have made protests that do not apply to this case purely on the basis of an unpleasant personal experience involving a prostitute.

I am not prepared to continue this argument as long as you refuse to accept that your comments do not fit the case in point!!

Owlswing

)O(

[SteveH]

Why do want a specific exception made?

Because, while prostitution should not be illegal, it is not desirable either, and shouldn't be encouraged.

[SteveH]

Leaving aside your attempt to poison the well by imolying that my objection is simply that I disapprove of prostitution...

I implied nothing of the sort. I said that I disapproved of it.