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Sriram

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« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2023, 01:21:01 PM »



Your statistics obviously don't work where cultural and moral issues are more powerful than economics.

Fact still remains that poorer countries in Africa, middle east, China, south east Asia  and around the world have not adopted vegetarianism even during their poorer periods. And the upper classes in India are vegetarians much more than the lower classes. 

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« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2023, 02:53:58 PM »
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Your statistics obviously don't work where cultural and moral issues are more powerful than economics.

They’re not my statistics, they’re just statistics – and if you think they’re wrong then provide some evidence of your own to show them to be wrong. “Obviously” isn’t evidence.

And in any case, you’ve missed the point. You said: “Indians did not need clinical trials as proof that vegetarianism is good for health or that animals and the environment need to be protected and respected. It has taken many decades for vegetarianism to even get accepted as a normal diet form in the west.”

I merely pointed out that the prevalence of vegetarianism in less economically developed countries came about largely because of the economic circumstances, not because the locals could equally have chosen meat but decided on grain-based foods instead because of some superior knowledge of the health benefits. 

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Fact still remains that poorer countries in Africa, middle east, China, south east Asia  and around the world have not adopted vegetarianism even during their poorer periods.

That’s not a fact. They exactly did “adopt vegetarianism” (ie, eat the only or most affordable food) during the “poorer periods”, and there’s been a sharp uptake in relative meat consumption in some of them (China in particular) more or less in line with growth in GDP. Have a look at the statistics yourself if you don’t believe me.
 
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And the upper classes in India are vegetarians much more than the lower classes.

About 40% of Indians are vegetarians, and there’s no evidence I can find to suggest that of the other 60% the wealthiest eat less per capita of the more expensive food option while the poorest eat more per capita of the more expensive food option.

That would be a remarkable finding if it was true. Do you have any evidence to indicate that it actually is true?
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« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2023, 05:02:12 PM »



What you seem to be unable to comprehend is that there  is a value attached to vegetarianism in India and its not just a matter of what is affordable. There are people who will go hungry but not eat meat.

There are many people in the West today who choose to be vegetarians or vegans....does that have anything to do with availability or affordability?!

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« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2023, 05:13:57 PM »
Sriram,

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What you seem to be unable to comprehend is that there  is a value attached to vegetarianism in India and its not just a matter of what is affordable. There are people who will go hungry but not eat meat.

I’m perfectly able to comprehend that thanks. I’m also perfectly able to comprehend facts about the correlation between per capita incomes and meat consumption. That’s not to say that there aren’t strong cultural factors at play in India that create a bias toward vegetarianism than wouldn’t otherwise be the case, but it is to say that vegetarianism was born of necessity – not because back in the day people could equally have afforded either vegetables or meat but they had some special insights into the health benefits of the former and so they rejected the latter.       

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There are many people in the West today who choose to be vegetarians or vegans....does that have anything to do with availability or affordability?!

Sometimes, though these days informed choice seems to be a more significant factor. That though wasn’t the point.

Also by the way you asserted that wealthier Indians eat less meat than poorer Indians. Is that claim supported by evidence, or is it just something you made up?
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« Reply #54 on: June 27, 2023, 05:56:03 AM »



Hindu spiritual philosophy has divided food into three categories ....Sattvic, Rajasic and Tamasic.  Vegetarian food comes among the highest sattvic food. It is recommended for good health, good mental makeup, helps control ones mind and emotions. It has been recommended for spiritual seekers for millennia.

I have no statistics for income  vs vegetarianism.  I know for a fact that upper caste brahmins and wealthier business class such as Gujaritis and Marwadis are more vegetarians than lower classes. Jains who are among the wealthiest community in India are more than 90% vegetarians.




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« Reply #55 on: June 27, 2023, 10:26:22 AM »
Just saw this. As it relates to vegetarianism in India particularly, this might be of interest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-43581122
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