WUMS for Jesus!

[BeRational]

In fact, I'd say the opposite; let's take the example of Jesus' life, death and resurrection.  Some here say that the latter is impossible because - humanly-speaking - resurrection is impossible.

Lets take spiderman, some say he was bitten by a spider that gave him his extraordinary powers and some say he was born with them and the spider bite brought the powers out.

Others say its simply fiction.

But we are not fiction, Jak.

It is a fact we exist but how is not a fact.

GOD, created us because there is no other explanation, is there?
Why life exists here but nowhere else.....
Unless they can prove it exists elsewhere. Anything possible but not the comic books which is clearly a figment of a mans imagination.

Is everything man teaches anything less than what he can imagine?

Of course there could be another more credible explanation! How do you know life only exists on earth, when the universe is so huge there could be many earth like planets?

If the universe is infinite, then there will be an infinite number of identical Earths with copies of us all on them.

If it is sufficiently huge, there is still a chance of identical Earths with our duplicates running around.

[Nearly Sane]

If the universe is infinite, then there will be an infinite number of identical Earths with copies of us all on them.

If it is sufficiently huge, there is still a chance of identical Earths with our duplicates running around.

I don't think this is actually true. It posits that an infinite universe is bigger than the number of possibilities but that might well be infinite too.

[BeRational]

If the universe is infinite, then there will be an infinite number of identical Earths with copies of us all on them.

If it is sufficiently huge, there is still a chance of identical Earths with our duplicates running around.

I don't think this is actually true. It posits that an infinite universe is bigger than the number of possibilities but that might well be infinite too.

I mean that in any portion of space, there are only so many ways to arrange the atoms.

Given sufficient space, these arrangements of atoms will have to eventually repeat.

[Nearly Sane]

I am not sure we are in a position to stare that everythng is merely a factor if the arrangement of atoms.

[BeRational]

I am not sure we are in a position to stare that everythng is merely a factor if the arrangement of atoms.

This is not my point, it was a rather whimsical point made by Sean Carroll in one of his books.

Essentially if you take a volume of space say 100,000 light years, there are only so many ways to arrange the atoms, quarks etc in that volume. Thus, if space IS infinite, then this arrangement MUST repeat somewhere else, as the arrangements are finite, but the number of 100,000 light year cubes is infinite. He was making the point that it would not have to be actually infinite, but very very large to allow some repeats.

[floo]

Since I first posted this thread back in April the 'WUMs for Jesus' have been having a field day. Jesus must be so very proud of the way they have dragged the faith in the doggie poo with their constant backbiting and general nastiness. One poster, in particular, has such a huge beam in their eye it must be difficult for them to get through a door! They moan about non believers, and how they don't seem to have read the Bible, yet their reading of it is somewhat lacking if they think their behaviour does Christianity any credit.

If I had come to this forum, not knowing anything about the Christian religion, and only encountered the 'WUMS for Jesus', I would be tarring all Christians with the same brush. Fortunately I know there are decent Christians around who are a credit to the faith. Obviously I don't see it their way, but they deserve respect for their deeds.

I will never in a million years agree with Alan Burns POV, but in spite of the stick he gets from non believers, he never appears to lose his cool, which is to his credit. Maybe some of the 'WUMS for Jesus' might take a leaf out his book, (and pigs might fly ! )

I have mentioned before that some posters I invited to join this forum were put off by the nastiness of the WUMS. One was an unbeliever who had been toying with the idea of seeing if Christianity might have something in it for them, decided to look at Buddhism instead!

No doubt what I have just written will be dismissed with the usual disdain reserved for the 'heathen'. However, they might think on that if there is an afterlife they might not end up in the place think they will!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Since I first posted this thread back in April the 'WUMs for Jesus' have been having a field day. Jesus must be so very proud of the way they have dragged the faith in the doggie poo with their constant backbiting and general nastiness. One poster, in particular, has such a huge beam in their eye it must be difficult for them to get through a door! They moan about non believers, and how they don't seem to have read the Bible, yet their reading of it is somewhat lacking if they think their behaviour does Christianity any credit.

If I had come to this forum, not knowing anything about the Christian religion, and only encountered the 'WUMS for Jesus', I would be tarring all Christians with the same brush. Fortunately I know there are decent Christians around who are a credit to the faith. Obviously I don't see it their way, but they deserve respect for their deeds.

I will never in a million years agree with Alan Burns POV, but in spite of the stick he gets from non believers, he never appears to lose his cool, which is to his credit. Maybe some of the 'WUMS for Jesus' might take a leaf out his book, (and pigs might fly ! )

I have mentioned before that some posters I invited to join this forum were put off by the nastiness of the WUMS. One was an unbeliever who had been toying with the idea of seeing if Christianity might have something in it for them, decided to look at Buddhism instead!

No doubt what I have just written will be dismissed with the usual disdain reserved for the 'heathen'. However, they might think on that if there is an afterlife they might not end up in the place think they will!

So have I got this straight Floo. You want to unload your bile onto Christians and what they stand for and expect them to a) fall to their knees and repent b) what?

[BashfulAnthony]

Since I first posted this thread back in April the 'WUMs for Jesus' have been having a field day. Jesus must be so very proud of the way they have dragged the faith in the doggie poo with their constant backbiting and general nastiness. One poster, in particular, has such a huge beam in their eye it must be difficult for them to get through a door! They moan about non believers, and how they don't seem to have read the Bible, yet their reading of it is somewhat lacking if they think their behaviour does Christianity any credit.

If I had come to this forum, not knowing anything about the Christian religion, and only encountered the 'WUMS for Jesus', I would be tarring all Christians with the same brush. Fortunately I know there are decent Christians around who are a credit to the faith. Obviously I don't see it their way, but they deserve respect for their deeds.

I will never in a million years agree with Alan Burns POV, but in spite of the stick he gets from non believers, he never appears to lose his cool, which is to his credit. Maybe some of the 'WUMS for Jesus' might take a leaf out his book, (and pigs might fly ! )

I have mentioned before that some posters I invited to join this forum were put off by the nastiness of the WUMS. One was an unbeliever who had been toying with the idea of seeing if Christianity might have something in it for them, decided to look at Buddhism instead!

No doubt what I have just written will be dismissed with the usual disdain reserved for the 'heathen'. However, they might think on that if there is an afterlife they might not end up in the place think they will!

So have I got this straight Floo. You want to unload your bile onto Christians and what they stand for and expect them to a) fall to their knees and repent b) what?

Floo is horribly mixed up:  best to leave her to it.

[Leonard James]

No doubt what I have just written will be dismissed with the usual disdain reserved for the 'heathen'. However, they might think on that if there is an afterlife they might not end up in the place think they will!

With a few notable exceptions, they're an odd bunch, Roses! Best to keep out of the hornet's nest. 

[BashfulAnthony]

No doubt what I have just written will be dismissed with the usual disdain reserved for the 'heathen'. However, they might think on that if there is an afterlife they might not end up in the place think they will!

With a few notable exceptions, they're an odd bunch, Roses! Best to keep out of the hornet's nest. 

If a Christian says such things, his Christian"credentials" are taken to task:  if an atheist says such, he is in the clear, because he makes his own rules up as he goes along: pure egotism!

[floo]

Blimey if I was a betting person and had placed a bet on the reaction I would get from the WUMS in Chief I wouldn't have got very good odds as they are SO predictable!

You do wonder if they are really Christians, or dear old Satan's agents doing his work for him, they do it so very, very well!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Blimey if I was a betting person and had placed a bet on the reaction I would get from the WUMS in Chief I wouldn't have got very good odds as they are SO predictable!

You do wonder if they are really Christians, or dear old Satan's agents doing his work for him, they do it so very, very well!

A subjective moralist is by definition one who pulls his morals out from his arse.......that's why, quite often, they stink.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Blimey if I was a betting person and had placed a bet on the reaction I would get from the WUMS in Chief I wouldn't have got very good odds as they are SO predictable!

You do wonder if they are really Christians, or dear old Satan's agents doing his work for him, they do it so very, very well!

You've got us dangling now Floo. How do you think Christians should react to your bile.

[floo]

Vlad, you are laughable, your posts are far from pleasant!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad, you are laughable, your posts are far from pleasant!

Floo you are projecting again.

[BashfulAnthony]

Blimey if I was a betting person and had placed a bet on the reaction I would get from the WUMS in Chief I wouldn't have got very good odds as they are SO predictable!

You do wonder if they are really Christians, or dear old Satan's agents doing his work for him, they do it so very, very well!

How weird!!

[Sassy]

Floo needs help she just can't admit it...

[Leonard James]

Floo needs help she just can't admit it...

To quote a past member, "Oh, the irony of it"!

[Hope]

It's a matter of Floo's opinion and the opinion of innumerable people who have had a religious upbringing they consider to have been abusive.

Shaker, it would be interesting to know how many people who were brought up in Christian families and have since left the Church, have the type of hang-ups that Floo has, and  how many simply ditched their faith because they decided that it was/is illogical?

I can think of several friends who grew up within Christian families but have left the Church as they grew up, but I can only think of one of them who feels like Floo does.

[Hope]

As for kowtowing or bowing down to anyone - as a Christian, nor do I - so that's at least two of us.

So you never kneel, then?

Actually, no I don't.  My knees don't allow it!!   

[floo]

It's a matter of Floo's opinion and the opinion of innumerable people who have had a religious upbringing they consider to have been abusive.

Shaker, it would be interesting to know how many people who were brought up in Christian families and have since left the Church, have the type of hang-ups that Floo has, and  how many simply ditched their faith because they decided that it was/is illogical?

I can think of several friends who grew up within Christian families but have left the Church as they grew up, but I can only think of one of them who feels like Floo does.

If you were told from birth you would burn in hell if you didn't get 'saved' you might not be too thrilled about Christianity either! It is the unpleasant 'you must be 'saved' dogma', that disgusts me, when it is used in an abusive manner. As I have often said I don't have a problem with mainstream Christians who have a live and let live approach!

[Alien]

It's a matter of Floo's opinion and the opinion of innumerable people who have had a religious upbringing they consider to have been abusive.

Shaker, it would be interesting to know how many people who were brought up in Christian families and have since left the Church, have the type of hang-ups that Floo has, and  how many simply ditched their faith because they decided that it was/is illogical?

I can think of several friends who grew up within Christian families but have left the Church as they grew up, but I can only think of one of them who feels like Floo does.

If you were told from birth you would burn in hell if you didn't get 'saved' you might not be too thrilled about Christianity either! It is the unpleasant 'you must be 'saved' dogma', that disgusts me, when it is used in an abusive manner. As I have often said I don't have a problem with mainstream Christians who have a live and let live approach!

So you left because you didn't like it rather than because you thought it was incorrect?

Would you not believe in cars if someone told you that you will get knocked over if you step out into a busy street without looking?

[Shaker]

It's a matter of Floo's opinion and the opinion of innumerable people who have had a religious upbringing they consider to have been abusive.

Shaker, it would be interesting to know how many people who were brought up in Christian families and have since left the Church, have the type of hang-ups that Floo has, and  how many simply ditched their faith because they decided that it was/is illogical?

I can think of several friends who grew up within Christian families but have left the Church as they grew up, but I can only think of one of them who feels like Floo does.

There are undoubtedly studies of this kind out there - I don't know of any of them, but I'd be extremely surprised if they didn't exist.

One other person who springs to mind who views her religious upbringing along the same lines - if anything even worse - as Floo is the psychologist Jill Mytton:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267620

[Shaker]

So you left because you didn't like it rather than because you thought it was incorrect?

Would you not believe in cars if someone told you that you will get knocked over if you step out into a busy street without looking?

Psssst ... cars are real

[Hope]

If you were told from birth you would burn in hell if you didn't get 'saved' you might not be too thrilled about Christianity either! It is the unpleasant 'you must be 'saved' dogma', that disgusts me, when it is used in an abusive manner. As I have often said I don't have a problem with mainstream Christians who have a live and let live approach!

I am aware of your background, Floo - you've shared them with us here and elsewhere on a number of occasions.    Of the hundreds of Christians I know, I can only think of one person other than you who shares such an experience.  On the other hand, I know lots of people who were brought up in Christian families/non-religious families who have rejected/accepted Christianity in their teenage and adult years.