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« Reply #200 on: November 17, 2015, 12:33:17 AM »
We both know that Matty and Floo are the worst two when it comes to hurling false accusations and insults.

We have to make allowances that neither have any real knowledge about Christianity and neither have any real knowledge about paganism. Both usually take their material from google... Enough to make the mind boggle at the cheek they show when trying to accuse others of their own wrong doings....

We have to patient with them Cookie.... :)
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« Reply #201 on: November 17, 2015, 07:56:30 AM »

We both know that Matty and Floo are the worst two when it comes to hurling false accusations and insults.

We have to make allowances that neither have any real knowledge about Christianity and neither have any real knowledge about paganism. Both usually take their material from google... Enough to make the mind boggle at the cheek they show when trying to accuse others of their own wrong doings....

We have to patient with them Cookie.... :)

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« Reply #202 on: November 17, 2015, 10:36:25 AM »

We both know that Matty and Floo are the worst two when it comes to hurling false accusations and insults.

We have to make allowances that neither have any real knowledge about Christianity and neither have any real knowledge about paganism. Both usually take their material from google... Enough to make the mind boggle at the cheek they show when trying to accuse others of their own wrong doings....

We have to patient with them Cookie.... :)

And of course you don't hurl accusations around do you Sass? You lie when you say I don't have any knowledge of Christianity, I probably have as much or more than you!

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« Reply #203 on: November 18, 2015, 06:35:26 AM »
And of course you don't hurl accusations around do you Sass? You lie when you say I don't have any knowledge of Christianity, I probably have as much or more than you!

My post show I question people who make statements that show no evidence of being based in true Christianity.
Such as your posts which show you have no real idea of TRUE Christianity in Christ.
Love and God are clues...
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« Reply #204 on: November 18, 2015, 06:39:30 AM »
My post show I question people who make statements that show no evidence of being based in true Christianity.
Such as your posts which show you have no real idea of TRUE Christianity in Christ.
Love and God are clues...

Sass, you are a conceited bigot on this point. You insist that your idea of "true Christianity in Christ" is correct and that any other is wrong. A perfect example of bigotry.

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« Reply #205 on: November 18, 2015, 08:04:57 AM »
Sass, you are a conceited bigot on this point. You insist that your idea of "true Christianity in Christ" is correct and that any other is wrong. A perfect example of bigotry.

She would also not know a Pagan if they were stood if front of her. Unless, of course, they were wearing a pointy hat!
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« Reply #206 on: November 18, 2015, 08:31:18 AM »
My post show I question people who make statements that show no evidence of being based in true Christianity.
Such as your posts which show you have no real idea of TRUE Christianity in Christ.
Love and God are clues...

And what is TRUE Christianity, wot Sass sez it is? ;D ;D ;D  Thanks for my first giggle of the day!

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« Reply #207 on: December 07, 2015, 08:21:39 AM »
Sass, you are a conceited bigot on this point. You insist that your idea of "true Christianity in Christ" is correct and that any other is wrong. A perfect example of bigotry.

Oh please...

You and other atheists only use words like 'conceited bigot' when you have nothing to argue with against my point.
Your arguments would be more true of 'conceited bigot' I insist Gods idea of true Christianity in Christ is correct.  Which is and shows the perfect conceited bigotry of your post as the true example of conceited bigotry. You claim to once have been a Christian and by your own admission makes you a bigot or a person claiming something untrue.

Either put up an argument or you become the bigot.
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« Reply #208 on: December 07, 2015, 08:25:41 AM »
She would also not know a Pagan if they were stood if front of her. Unless, of course, they were wearing a pointy hat!

Wizard, warlock, witch or maybe one with capital D on would be more appropriate
in your case... ;)
Maybe if you were not as ignorance to universal definition in Christianity you would know EVERYONE who is not a Christian is a PAGAN by definition.

Which way are you looking now... Either way your red face is showing.

Paganism is a term that developed among the Christian community of southern Europe during late antiquity to describe religions other than their own

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« Reply #209 on: December 07, 2015, 08:30:55 AM »
Wizard, warlock, witch or maybe one with capital D on would be more appropriate
in your case... ;)
Maybe if you were not as ignorance to universal definition in Christianity you would know EVERYONE who is not a Christian is a PAGAN by definition.

Which way are you looking now... Either way your red face is showing.

Paganism is a term that developed among the Christian community of southern Europe during late antiquity to describe religions other than their own

Yeah! So now you use the 2,000 year old definition to cobver up yoour total and complete ignorance of modern, 21st century Paganism.

This shows your idea of what Christianinty is - that of " late antiquity".

You have no ideas or opinions of your own, you even had to steal BA's overworked comment about googling to use as an insult to cover your ignorance of anything pagan.
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« Reply #210 on: December 07, 2015, 08:47:37 AM »
Sass is certainly a WUM for Jesus! ;D

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« Reply #211 on: December 07, 2015, 09:25:32 AM »
Yeah! So now you use the 2,000 year old definition to cobver up yoour total and complete ignorance of modern, 21st century Paganism.

This shows your idea of what Christianinty is - that of " late antiquity".

You have no ideas or opinions of your own, you even had to steal BA's overworked comment about googling to use as an insult to cover your ignorance of anything pagan.

I think then it did mean, any religion except Christianity ( as did heathen)

I think it was slightly less derogatory than heathen but not by much.

I don't know but it seems unlikely to me that the pagans in the past thought of themselves as Pagans.

I think our understanding and meaning of those terms today, means something else.

Paganism is a huge umbrella for a large variety of beliefs across many areas.

I'm prepared to be proved wrong, but what is a Pagan? Exactly? Other than some one who follows a variety of older beliefs?

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« Reply #212 on: December 07, 2015, 10:24:58 AM »
Tbh, Rose, a pagan's someone who chooses to identify as such, as far as I'm concerned. You could argue that paganism's a belief in the path of an indigenous people, but neopaganism doesn't fall into that category. Or you could call it nature spirituality, but heathenry doesn't necessarily fall into that category. It can't easily be pinned down or defined, so for me it's more about feeling and living rather than belief.

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« Reply #213 on: December 07, 2015, 03:58:01 PM »
Tbh, Rose, a pagan's someone who chooses to identify as such, as far as I'm concerned. You could argue that paganism's a belief in the path of an indigenous people, but neopaganism doesn't fall into that category. Or you could call it nature spirituality, but heathenry doesn't necessarily fall into that category. It can't easily be pinned down or defined, so for me it's more about feeling and living rather than belief.

And one of the refreshing things about neopaganism, it seems to me, is that its participants don't insist that "my way is the only right way".
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« Reply #214 on: December 07, 2015, 04:44:50 PM »
I think then it did mean, any religion except Christianity ( as did heathen)

I think it was slightly less derogatory than heathen but not by much.

I don't know but it seems unlikely to me that the pagans in the past thought of themselves as Pagans.

I think our understanding and meaning of those terms today, means something else.

Paganism is a huge umbrella for a large variety of beliefs across many areas.

I'm prepared to be proved wrong, but what is a Pagan? Exactly? Other than some one who follows a variety of older beliefs?

 ???



Feel free to tell me 🌹 :)

Both "pagan" and "heathen" were, and are, only ever used in a derogatory fashion by Christians - "Pagan" came from "paganus" which meant someone who did not live in a city or town, a rustic or villager - "Heathen" was used in almost the same way as "paganus" and meant the people of the heath(s).
 
Heathery is, in modern Pagan usage, used to refer to those who follow the path of Asatru, the Norse Gods and Goddesses, Odin, Freya etc whose names, incidentally, are still used by Christians for the days of the week!

Paganism is, as you say, a word used as an umbrella to cover, in its widest possible sense, any and all religious beliefs that are not parts of Christianity, Judaism and Islam; although I am not sure that Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and those of the Far East among others, would appreciate their inclusion in the Pagan grouping.

However, when it comes to Paganism accuracy and truth have never seemed to bother the Christians on here, they will deny the truth of anything that either Rhiannon or I say about our beliefs and we are the only pagans currently on this forum so what would we know about our own beliefs?

We need to be taught what our beliefs really are by a bunch who follow beliefs whose followers tried for ceturies to wipe our beliefs off the face of the earth!

On this Forum they are STILL trying.
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« Reply #215 on: December 07, 2015, 05:05:25 PM »
Both "pagan" and "heathen" were, and are, only ever used in a derogatory fashion by Christians - "Pagan" came from "paganus" which meant someone who did not live in a city or town, a rustic or villager - "Heathen" was used in almost the same way as "paganus" and meant the people of the heath(s).
 
Heathery is, in modern Pagan usage, used to refer to those who follow the path of Asatru, the Norse Gods and Goddesses, Odin, Freya etc whose names, incidentally, are still used by Christians for the days of the week!

Paganism is, as you say, a word used as an umbrella to cover, in its widest possible sense, any and all religious beliefs that are not parts of Christianity, Judaism and Islam; although I am not sure that Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and those of the Far East among others, would appreciate their inclusion in the Pagan grouping.

However, when it comes to Paganism accuracy and truth have never seemed to bother the Christians on here, they will deny the truth of anything that either Rhiannon or I say about our beliefs and we are the only pagans currently on this forum so what would we know about our own beliefs?

We need to be taught what our beliefs really are by a bunch who follow beliefs whose followers tried for ceturies to wipe our beliefs off the face of the earth!

On this Forum they are STILL trying.

Don't kid yourself.  The truth is nobody actually gives a witch's waddle what you believe:  just as you don't with the beliefs of others, as you so frequently and vociferously say!
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« Reply #216 on: December 07, 2015, 05:52:01 PM »
Don't kid yourself.  The truth is nobody actually gives a witch's waddle what you believe:  just as you don't with the beliefs of others, as you so frequently and vociferously say!

YOU are of the two most vociferous deniers of my beliefs on here; deniers and denigrators!
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« Reply #217 on: December 07, 2015, 06:07:09 PM »
YOU are of the two most vociferous deniers of my beliefs on here; deniers and denigrators!

Oh yes?  Name some times.  I do not seek you out in your particular Pagan area to denounce you, or use foul language to do so; as you deliberately seek out Christians in Christian forums to vent your spleen. 
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« Reply #218 on: December 07, 2015, 06:18:02 PM »
Oh yes?  Name some times.  I do not seek you out in your particular Pagan area to denounce you, or use foul language to do so; as you deliberately seek out Christians in Christian forums to vent your spleen.

No comments about dancing around naked?

No comments about violating virgins?

No comments about "beliveing in rubbish/ninsense"?

Hypocrite!
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« Reply #219 on: December 07, 2015, 06:26:56 PM »
No comments about dancing around naked?

No comments about violating virgins?

No comments about "beliveing in rubbish/ninsense"?

Hypocrite!

I have never referred to "violating virgins."  That's not my style. So kindly take that back.  Whether I ever made comments about the other allegations there, well, quote where.  And as if you've never made fun of my, and others', Christian beliefs.  So, hypocrite to you, too!
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« Reply #220 on: December 07, 2015, 07:30:43 PM »
And one of the refreshing things about neopaganism, it seems to me, is that its participants don't insist that "my way is the only right way".

Yes I would agree with that  :)

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« Reply #221 on: December 07, 2015, 08:44:46 PM »
I have never referred to "violating virgins."  That's not my style. So kindly take that back.  Whether I ever made comments about the other allegations there, well, quote where.  And as if you've never made fun of my, and others', Christian beliefs.  So, hypocrite to you, too!

No. I am not a hypocrite - I willingly admit to making fun of your beliefs for the pure and simple reason that you will not, or can not, see the stupidity of some of your comments and your incessant insistance that you are right and everyone else is wrong and I have never denied getting great pleasure out of watching you all squirm as you try to justify the unjustifiable.

You dismiss my beliefs for no other reason thatn they are not yours! At least I have tried yours before dismissing them as rubbish!

As to quotes of your comments - you know as well as I, you almost certainly checked before posting the above, that most of them date back to prior to the last cull and cannot be reproduced.

That is duplicitous.
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« Reply #222 on: December 07, 2015, 08:56:40 PM »
No. I am not a hypocrite - I willingly admit to making fun of your beliefs for the pure and simple reason that you will not, or can not, see the stupidity of some of your comments and your incessant insistance that you are right and everyone else is wrong and I have never denied getting great pleasure out of watching you all squirm as you try to justify the unjustifiable.

You dismiss my beliefs for no other reason thatn they are not yours! At least I have tried yours before dismissing them as rubbish!

As to quotes of your comments - you know as well as I, you almost certainly checked before posting the above, that most of them date back to prior to the last cull and cannot be reproduced.

That is duplicitous.

I do not insist that I am always right and you are always wrong.  I merely stand up for my beliefs, as you do  -  and in a far more aggressive manner than I!

As to the highlighted comment: it is dishonest and untruthful, and you cannot quote any instances of what I said, in particular the strange reference to virgins, because they don't exist, as you well know.  That is both duplicitous and downright unpleasant; but par for the course with you.
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« Reply #223 on: December 07, 2015, 08:58:42 PM »
I do not insist that I am always right and you are always wrong.  I merely stand up for my beliefs, as you do  -  and in a far more aggressive manner than I!

As to the highlighted comment: it is dishonest and untruthful, and you cannot quote any instances of what I said, in particular the strange reference to virgins, because they don't exist, as you well know.  That is both duplicitous and downright unpleasant; but par for the course with you.

Exactly what I expected you to say! You wouldn't know the truth if you got slapped in the mouth with it!
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« Reply #224 on: December 07, 2015, 09:04:54 PM »
Exactly what I expected you to say! You wouldn't know the truth if you got slapped in the mouth with it!

You expected it of me because it's true, and if you had a shred of decency you would acknowledge that, instead of blustering like a six-year-old.
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