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« Reply #100 on: May 31, 2015, 10:51:46 PM »
Dear Farmer ( it is you )

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Amen brother, Amen.

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Sorry, Gonnagle, but I was not Farmer!
MATTHEW HOPKINS....I presume???

Correct ma'am!

And, seeing as it is you, I should point out that the middle name is pornounced 'Heyzooss'.

The character's full title is Assassin and Personal Assistant to Lord Lucifer of Hades and he is a character from a manga comic called The Hell Rangers - do not try finding it anywhere as, as yet, it is still a work-in-progress, incomplete and unpublished!

Small mercies!

As if your opinion counts for anything - especially in the matter of humour - even more in the matter of humour in Manga!
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« Reply #101 on: May 31, 2015, 10:52:15 PM »
BA, if you want to discuss paganism then posting on the pagan topic might be an idea?

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« Reply #102 on: May 31, 2015, 10:53:29 PM »
BA, if you want to discuss paganism then posting on the pagan topic might be an idea?

Right.
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« Reply #103 on: May 31, 2015, 10:55:20 PM »
Dearest Matty,
Congrats on joining in on the name changing. I recall a little witch a while back having a negative comment or two about name changing. I wonder where he went?

Moderator: quoted content removed - I have changed ny name ONCE not, like you,  more times than you have changed your underwear!

Do not bother addressing me again as, as far as I am concerned you are not worth the energy I would need to expend to reply to you.
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How do you know how often Johnny changes his underwear?  :o

The mind boggles  :o

Now if I, or any Christian, had come up with that last post from Nathaniel Scrote, or what ever silly name he thinks is amusing, then I would have come in for all sorts of flack, rightly so.  But as is always the case on this forum, the atheists, hypocritically, say what they like and see no fault in it.  Perhaps one or other of the atheists here might condemn that last sentence?

Why not advertise your ignorance even more clearly!

I am Pagan not atheist!

My name is silly?

You can hardly claim that 'Bashful' is an accurate desciption of your posts on here!

Pot kettle black!

So, instead of spending your time vilifying Christianity, and things Christian, why not expound on your beliefs?   Let's hear what you find so irresistible and believable.  Can you?

I have done this on several occasions on this Forum.

Try reading what is posted and not just what you want to see - i e posts that support Chritianity without question or doubt.

I must have missed what must have been hugely riveting posts on your beliefs.  Perhaps you might be kind enough to give me a small résumé of your chief beliefs?

What, so you can take the piss and compare my beliefs negatively to yours?

No thanks!
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« Reply #104 on: May 31, 2015, 11:01:10 PM »
Dearest Matty,
Congrats on joining in on the name changing. I recall a little witch a while back having a negative comment or two about name changing. I wonder where he went?
Moderator: quoted content removed - I have changed ny name ONCE not, like you,  more times than you have changed your underwear!

Do not bother addressing me again as, as far as I am concerned you are not worth the energy I would need to expend to reply to you.

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How do you know how often Johnny changes his underwear?  :o

The mind boggles  :o

Now if I, or any Christian, had come up with that last post from Nathaniel Scrote, or what ever silly name he thinks is amusing, then I would have come in for all sorts of flack, rightly so.  But as is always the case on this forum, the atheists, hypocritically, say what they like and see no fault in it.  Perhaps one or other of the atheists here might condemn that last sentence?

Why not advertise your ignorance even more clearly!

I am Pagan not atheist!

My name is silly?

You can hardly claim that 'Bashful' is an accurate desciption of your posts on here!

Pot kettle black!

So, instead of spending your time vilifying Christianity, and things Christian, why not expound on your beliefs?   Let's hear what you find so irresistible and believable.  Can you?

I have done this on several occasions on this Forum.

Try reading what is posted and not just what you want to see - i e posts that support Chritianity without question or doubt.

I must have missed what must have been hugely riveting posts on your beliefs.  Perhaps you might be kind enough to give me a small résumé of your chief beliefs?

What, so you can take the piss and compare my beliefs negatively to yours?

No thanks!

That wasn't my intention, though it would make a difference to listening to your negative comments about Christianity, and having it all your own way.  Of course, it's just possible that you are afraid to say what you believe, because your beliefs are so open to negative interpretation.   You can't have much confidence in what you believe, then.
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« Reply #105 on: May 31, 2015, 11:03:57 PM »
That wasn't my intention, though it would make a difference to listening to your negative comments about Christianity, and having it all your own way. Of course, it's just possible that you are afraid to say what you believe, because your beliefs are so open to negative interpretation.  You can't have much confidence in what you believe, then.
Does none of that apply to Christianity? An awful lot of Christians seem to be incredibly hypersensitive even to the very mildest criticism of their beliefs. If according to you sensitivity to criticism entails shakiness of belief, well ...

P.S. As regards "having it all your own way" ... Christians have had that for a strikingly long time, no?
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« Reply #106 on: May 31, 2015, 11:07:39 PM »
Im happy to discuss my pagan beliefs. If someone takes the piss I'll just go and find some grown-ups to talk to.

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« Reply #107 on: May 31, 2015, 11:13:44 PM »
That wasn't my intention, though it would make a difference to listening to your negative comments about Christianity, and having it all your own way. Of course, it's just possible that you are afraid to say what you believe, because your beliefs are so open to negative interpretation.  You can't have much confidence in what you believe, then.
Does none of that apply to Christianity? An awful lot of Christians seem to be incredibly hypersensitive even to the very mildest criticism of their beliefs. If according to you sensitivity to criticism entails shakiness of belief, well ...

P.S. As regards "having it all your own way" ... Christians have had that for a strikingly long time, no?

It seems to me your idea of "mild" criticism is very odd.  In the main, the criticism on here is far from mild; and is often extremely offensive, and puerile.

I haven't had it all my own way, and have never run away from criticism of my beliefs:  quite the opposite.  I just wish more of it was constructive and not just vitriol and silly references to fairies and magic.
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« Reply #108 on: May 31, 2015, 11:17:17 PM »
Yeah, you probably won't get far talking to pagans if you think fairies and magic are 'silly'.

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« Reply #109 on: May 31, 2015, 11:19:56 PM »
It seems to me your idea of "mild" criticism is very odd.

Not to me.
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In the main, the criticism on here is far from mild; and is often extremely offensive, and puerile.
This to me indicates that you don't like your beliefs being challenged or criticised in any way whatever, and see any such challenge or criticism as "offensive." Even if this were true, so what? Offence never killed anybody. In the modern world "offence" is one of those buzz-words which appears to be designed to close down debate and to shut up criticism. There is such a thing as offence, no question, but so what? Being offended has never equalled being right.
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« Reply #110 on: May 31, 2015, 11:23:33 PM »
It seems to me your idea of "mild" criticism is very odd.

Not to me.
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In the main, the criticism on here is far from mild; and is often extremely offensive, and puerile.
This to me indicates that you don't like your beliefs being challenged or criticised in any way whatever, and see any such challenge or criticism as "offensive." Even if this were true, so what? Offence never killed anybody. In the modern world "offence" is one of those buzz-words which appears to be designed to close down debate and to shut up criticism. There is such a thing as offence, no question, but so what? Being offended has never equalled being right.

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Why spend so much time being negatively offensive, in the way you and others do on here?  Why not engage in serious debate, without the need for constant vitriol and put-downs?  Not a very intelligent way to approach things. 
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« Reply #111 on: May 31, 2015, 11:29:24 PM »
Why spend so much time being negatively offensive, in the way you and others do on here?
Offence is in the eye of the offended, and more often than not seems merely to be a tactic designed to close down debate and shift attention away from from close, careful and sceptical scrutiny of - to say the very least - extremely implausible beliefs about the nature of reality.

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Why not engage in serious debate, without the need for constant vitriol and put-downs?  Not a very intelligent way to approach things.
Gladly.

Give us something seriously to debate.
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« Reply #112 on: May 31, 2015, 11:32:45 PM »
Why spend so much time being negatively offensive, in the way you and others do on here?
Offence is in the eye of the offended, and more often than not seems merely to be a tactic designed to close down debate and shift attention away from from close, careful and sceptical scrutiny of - to say the very least - extremely implausible beliefs about the nature of reality.

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Why not engage in serious debate, without the need for constant vitriol and put-downs?  Not a very intelligent way to approach things.
Glady.

Give us something seriously to debate.

If you need to say that, after spending so much time "debating" on here, then I wonder why you dn't just opt out of it.
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« Reply #113 on: May 31, 2015, 11:38:56 PM »
If you need to say that, after spending so much time "debating" on here, then I wonder why you dn't just opt out of it.
Because I'm still waiting for something that isn't quite patently founded on wishful thinking or - which is worse, as even wishful thinking can in principle sometimes be based upon sound thinking - this or that howling logical fallacy.
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« Reply #114 on: June 01, 2015, 04:55:35 AM »
That is an interesting question Rose. How does dearest Matty know how often I change my underwear? (snork) He must know how often I don't wear any I guess. Whatever paddles his rubber kayak.

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« Reply #115 on: June 01, 2015, 07:05:25 AM »
Yeah, you probably won't get far talking to pagans if you think fairies and magic are 'silly'.

Seconded - I consider "think[ing] fairies and magic are 'silly'." is a form of "taking the piss".
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« Reply #116 on: June 01, 2015, 07:29:48 AM »
That wasn't my intention, though it would make a difference to listening to your negative comments about Christianity, and having it all your own way. Of course, it's just possible that you are afraid to say what you believe, because your beliefs are so open to negative interpretation.  You can't have much confidence in what you believe, then.
Does none of that apply to Christianity? An awful lot of Christians seem to be incredibly hypersensitive even to the very mildest criticism of their beliefs. If according to you sensitivity to criticism entails shakiness of belief, well ...

P.S. As regards "having it all your own way" ... Christians have had that for a strikingly long time, no?

It seems to me your idea of "mild" criticism is very odd.  In the main, the criticism on here is far from mild; and is often extremely offensive, and puerile.

I haven't had it all my own way, and have never run away from criticism of my beliefs:  quite the opposite.  I just wish more of it was constructive and not just vitriol and silly references to fairies and magic.

The "Vitriol" I reserve for the way in which Christians seem to cling to the belief that any other religion is wrong, blasphemous and beyond question.

When are Christians going to acknowledge that the oldest religious artifact yet discovered is of Pagan origin - the Venus of Willedorf, a small statuette 23,000 to 25,000 years old, that, by comparison Christianity is a Johnny-come-lately on the religious scene.

The fact that my belief is pantheistic recognises that no-one, not even a deity can know everything about everything and reflects the real world of specialisation; deities who have particular talents to be called upon when needed, exactly as you would call upon a dentist or a doctor - you would not go to a doctor to get you teeth seen to.

My belief is that the deities are immanent, that the idea that a male can exist without a female, even in a deity, is ridiculous.

Magic is NOT part of the Pagan belief. Magic, Witchraft, is a practice within the Pagan community, practiced by some and not by others, but using the forces of nature and the power of the trained mind to achieve a change in the physical world.

Your beliefs are your beliefs to which you are perfectly entitled, you are not, however, in my opinion, entitled to denigrate or dismiss as false my beliefs just because you do not agree with them, and I am entitled to my beliefs, I do not try in anyway to convert you to my belief, why do you conider it your right to try to convert me by the denigration of what I believe as "silly"?

Incidentally - I do NOT believe in fairies! Some Pagans do, but I do not.

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« Reply #117 on: June 01, 2015, 08:04:55 AM »
But first you would need to define 'believe in' and 'fairy'.

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« Reply #118 on: June 01, 2015, 03:31:06 PM »
But first you would need to define 'believe in' and 'fairy'.

I do not believe that fairies exist.

They are a pretty fairy tale for children and artists.
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« Reply #119 on: June 01, 2015, 05:54:36 PM »
That wasn't my intention, though it would make a difference to listening to your negative comments about Christianity, and having it all your own way. Of course, it's just possible that you are afraid to say what you believe, because your beliefs are so open to negative interpretation.  You can't have much confidence in what you believe, then.
Does none of that apply to Christianity? An awful lot of Christians seem to be incredibly hypersensitive even to the very mildest criticism of their beliefs. If according to you sensitivity to criticism entails shakiness of belief, well ...

P.S. As regards "having it all your own way" ... Christians have had that for a strikingly long time, no?

It seems to me your idea of "mild" criticism is very odd.  In the main, the criticism on here is far from mild; and is often extremely offensive, and puerile.

I haven't had it all my own way, and have never run away from criticism of my beliefs:  quite the opposite.  I just wish more of it was constructive and not just vitriol and silly references to fairies and magic.

The "Vitriol" I reserve for the way in which Christians seem to cling to the belief that any other religion is wrong, blasphemous and beyond question.

When are Christians going to acknowledge that the oldest religious artifact yet discovered is of Pagan origin - the Venus of Willedorf, a small statuette 23,000 to 25,000 years old, that, by comparison Christianity is a Johnny-come-lately on the religious scene.

The fact that my belief is pantheistic recognises that no-one, not even a deity can know everything about everything and reflects the real world of specialisation; deities who have particular talents to be called upon when needed, exactly as you would call upon a dentist or a doctor - you would not go to a doctor to get you teeth seen to.

My belief is that the deities are immanent, that the idea that a male can exist without a female, even in a deity, is ridiculous.

Magic is NOT part of the Pagan belief. Magic, Witchraft, is a practice within the Pagan community, practiced by some and not by others, but using the forces of nature and the power of the trained mind to achieve a change in the physical world.

Your beliefs are your beliefs to which you are perfectly entitled, you are not, however, in my opinion, entitled to denigrate or dismiss as false my beliefs just because you do not agree with them, and I am entitled to my beliefs, I do not try in anyway to convert you to my belief, why do you conider it your right to try to convert me by the denigration of what I believe as "silly"?

Incidentally - I do NOT believe in fairies! Some Pagans do, but I do not.


I did not describe your beliefs as "silly,"  I said your name is silly, which it is  (M116.)  I have not denigrated your beliefs because I don't know what they are, and you seem very reticent about elaborating.

I most certainly have no intention of trying to "convert" you to anything.  I have to say this to people so often.  I simply "fight my corner," defending my own beliefs.  You make an awful lot of assumptions,  mostly wrong ones.
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« Reply #120 on: June 01, 2015, 06:49:55 PM »
But first you would need to define 'believe in' and 'fairy'.

I do not believe that fairies exist.

They are a pretty fairy tale for children and artists.

If we mean pretty little creatures with gossamer wings, I agree.

What about nature spirits?

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« Reply #121 on: June 02, 2015, 06:38:47 AM »
That wasn't my intention, though it would make a difference to listening to your negative comments about Christianity, and having it all your own way. Of course, it's just possible that you are afraid to say what you believe, because your beliefs are so open to negative interpretation.  You can't have much confidence in what you believe, then.
Does none of that apply to Christianity? An awful lot of Christians seem to be incredibly hypersensitive even to the very mildest criticism of their beliefs. If according to you sensitivity to criticism entails shakiness of belief, well ...

P.S. As regards "having it all your own way" ... Christians have had that for a strikingly long time, no?

It seems to me your idea of "mild" criticism is very odd.  In the main, the criticism on here is far from mild; and is often extremely offensive, and puerile.

I haven't had it all my own way, and have never run away from criticism of my beliefs:  quite the opposite.  I just wish more of it was constructive and not just vitriol and silly references to fairies and magic.

The "Vitriol" I reserve for the way in which Christians seem to cling to the belief that any other religion is wrong, blasphemous and beyond question.

When are Christians going to acknowledge that the oldest religious artifact yet discovered is of Pagan origin - the Venus of Willedorf, a small statuette 23,000 to 25,000 years old, that, by comparison Christianity is a Johnny-come-lately on the religious scene.

The fact that my belief is pantheistic recognises that no-one, not even a deity can know everything about everything and reflects the real world of specialisation; deities who have particular talents to be called upon when needed, exactly as you would call upon a dentist or a doctor - you would not go to a doctor to get you teeth seen to.

My belief is that the deities are immanent, that the idea that a male can exist without a female, even in a deity, is ridiculous.

Magic is NOT part of the Pagan belief. Magic, Witchraft, is a practice within the Pagan community, practiced by some and not by others, but using the forces of nature and the power of the trained mind to achieve a change in the physical world.

Your beliefs are your beliefs to which you are perfectly entitled, you are not, however, in my opinion, entitled to denigrate or dismiss as false my beliefs just because you do not agree with them, and I am entitled to my beliefs, I do not try in anyway to convert you to my belief, why do you conider it your right to try to convert me by the denigration of what I believe as "silly"?

Incidentally - I do NOT believe in fairies! Some Pagans do, but I do not.


I did not describe your beliefs as "silly,"  I said your name is silly, which it is  (M116.)  I have not denigrated your beliefs because I don't know what they are, and you seem very reticent about elaborating.

I most certainly have no intention of trying to "convert" you to anything.  I have to say this to people so often.  I simply "fight my corner," defending my own beliefs.  You make an awful lot of assumptions,  mostly wrong ones.


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" ... silly references to fairies and magic."

Any post which posits that your beliefs are the only truth is, IMO, a form of proselytising.

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« Reply #122 on: June 02, 2015, 09:54:47 AM »
I don't see any difference between the less than credible stories in the not so good book, and other myths and legends like fairies, goblins, elves and black magic!

Give it up, Floo:  you're nothing but a hypocrite
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« Reply #123 on: June 02, 2015, 09:57:44 AM »
Given my understanding of the concept of hypocrisy, what makes her a hypocrite?
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« Reply #124 on: June 02, 2015, 10:03:39 AM »
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I wonder if we can start a new 'topic for going off topic' which can remain as interesting items of  info which most of the rest of us are interested to read and respond to or not as seems useful. Perhaps Vlad and BA could start their own!! :)
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