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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #350 on: May 03, 2015, 09:44:13 PM »
I am very average  :D, had ups and downs on forums in the past and annoyed people - not intentionally but by being a bit mouthy.  I wouldn't do that now though, I've mellowed.  Encroaching old age !  But, yes, I do believe that homosexuality is perfectly natural to homosexuals, God made them after all, and I'm glad we are living in more enlightened times.  At least that's how it is in this country, it's not the same all over the world, gay couples are still persecuted in other places, Uganda being an example.
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« Reply #351 on: May 04, 2015, 06:01:14 PM »
I rejoined (not that I was ever not joined exactly but I had forgotten log in details etc so had to change name and all that), to particularly contact a member I have 'known' on forums since BBC days.  Well I found her and sent her a pm so job done - but now I am back I may post a bit more.  There are some interesting discussions on here and everyone seems nice.


I am slightly baffled how posting on a thread where homosexuality has been described as a disease and compared to murder, one could get to your last conclusion. Also I am sure there are a few of us on this thread standing up for the rights of homosexuals who might openly admit we are not very nice. Still you seem lovely

Well, there might be some not very nice people hanging round these parts, but you are one of the most decent people on here. If a bit mardy sometimes.

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« Reply #352 on: May 05, 2015, 07:00:43 AM »
I was only echoing NS' choice of words in referring to the fact that not all liberals are 'nice'. I'm not about to say that just because someone is pro-gay that they are lovely, but neither was I passing judgement on any particular poster; it was merely a turn of phrase based on NS'.

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« Reply #353 on: May 05, 2015, 07:50:51 AM »
In the early hours of Monday morning (5am) we drove past our local transgender venue and their were hundreds of people leaving and cars everywhere all over the pavements etc.  People were milling about in the street talking to each other both men and women and probably not all were gay.

Both me and my partner were struck by the sheer number of people there.

Attitudes have changed immensely.

35 years ago my mother and I used to live in Taunton and the local gay club was hidden away behind a shop ( that my mother worked in) and was hidden away and most people didn't even know it existed. It used to have a green door and the only reason my mother knew it was there is because it was so hidden away, that even gay people looking for it couldn't find it, so used to ask her in the shop.

Now in my local club it has large letters Saying exactly what it is, along with rainbow painted walls and a big rainbow double decker bus proclaiming gay transgender and lesbian and has a huge attendance as big as any night club in the area.

The contrast between what it was like in the UK 35years ago and now is enormous.

I think being open about it is better.

Years ago me and mum used to laugh about the green door and that song by shakin Stevens.  It was all so hidden then, even gay people were embarrassed about asking where their club was, now even straight people go.

Thank you Rose! I haven't been to England for over 20 years, and that story has made me very happy!  ;D

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« Reply #354 on: May 05, 2015, 08:09:59 AM »
Hi everyone,

Ok....the subject of homosexuality is always controversial and lots of people tend to get all charged up. This could be one such...(or maybe not). 

Here is my favorite subject of epignetics again.  They say that homosexuality could even be cured through epigenetic therapy. 

Alright...some people may feel that homosexuality is not...repeat not... a  disease and does not need to be cured!  But I tend to disagree.   

Here is some scientific stuff on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetic_theories_of_homosexuality

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Epigenetic theories of homosexuality concerns the study of changes in gene expression or cellular phenotype caused by mechanisms other than changes in the underlying DNA sequence.

One team of researchers examined the effects of epi-marks buffering XX fetuses and XY fetuses from certain androgen exposure and used published data on fetal androgen signaling and gene regulation through non-genetic changes in DNA packaging to develop a new model for homosexuality.[2] The researchers found that stronger than average epi-marks, epigenomes that are wrapped tightly around the DNA sequence, convert sexual preference in individuals without altering genitalia or sexual identity.[3]

This research gives support to the hypothesis that homosexuality stems from the under expression of certain genes on the DNA sequence involved with sexual preferences. This theory as well as other concepts involved with epi-marks, twin studies, and fetal androgen signaling will be explored here.

 A "gay" gene does not produce homosexuality, rather, epigenetic modifications act as temporary "switches" that regulate how the genes are expressed[7] Only twenty percent of identical twins are both homosexual which leads to the hypothesis that even though identical twins share the same DNA, homosexuality is created by something else rather than the genes. Epigenetic transformation allows the on and off switch of certain genes, subsequently shaping how cells respond to androgen signaling, which is critical in sexual development.

This demonstrates that gene coding for these epi-marks can spread in the population because they benefit the development and fitness of the parent but only rarely escape erasure, leading to mismatched sexual preference in offspring.

Following a late 2012 publication on possible epigenetic origins of homosexuality,[10] some people[who?] have suggested that it might be possible to alter one's sexual orientation with epigenetic therapy,[11] similarly to treatment of diabetes, cancer or schizophrenia.

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This also highlights the fact that lifestyle and environmental factors (that's what epigenetics is all about) could be producing homosexual tendencies.   

For information.

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Sriram

I would ask the question:-

Is it the mind or the body which chooses?

Surely DNA cannot be responsible when relationships are really more about the mental than than the physical.
As for a disease then how can a disease put people at fault?
No disease and really cannot understand who would use such a term.

Are people gay because of their sexual feelings and prowess or because of their mental outlook in the mind.

I personally, do not believe another woman can provide the companionship or the mental stability a man can for myself personally. I believe a man makes up the other half of myself which a woman could not do.  Anything not heterosexual being like Two nuts rather than a bolt and nut...

That is a personal way and feeling and nothing to do with sexual arousal or attraction. Emotionally I feel that a partner has to be a man. So is it our sexuality or emotional needs which decide our sexual preference and orientation?

We are what we are and I am wondering why people are looking for an answer to homosexuality yet heterosexuality is accepted as being the true norm.
Is it nature or nurtured?
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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #355 on: May 05, 2015, 08:15:04 AM »
Does this mean some 'straight' people might have the choice to be 'gay'???

<does not need to be cured!  But I tend to disagree>
So Sriram bhai, you feel being gay is akin to being a leper or carrying some disease that will wipe out mankind ??? ::)

Hitler would've loved your attitude !!!!!

Nick
That was a bit quick for Godwin's rule.

Wow. The ability to change ones sexual orientation ! Fantastic ! If I was  single and the supply of women was low, I could simply take a pill and hey presto I could chase after the boys !

Making homosexuality a choice and not helping those who are homosexual without the pill. :o
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« Reply #356 on: May 05, 2015, 08:15:24 AM »
Len, growing up around London in the 80's', going out to gay clubs wasn't unusual even then, especially for women - my mum used to go to them more than I did! Now it's so mainstream it barely registers.

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« Reply #357 on: May 05, 2015, 08:24:12 AM »
SOME people???
Do you realise what repercussions such a finding will have ????
The Christian churches will LOVE this kind of thing & jump on it to say how God really DOES hate gays but you CAN CHANGE !!!!

Of course I DO know that Hinduism loves ALL people regardless !!!!!

God doesn't hate gays... He hates the act of sodomy(man with man). The body he created being used for something it was not created for.
If God hated people because they sinned he would not have sent his Son to die for them. He just dislikes his creation being used in a way it was never meant to be used.

We have to live and let God. Because no amount of posts on any threads about homosexuality will change anything... Love has a better affect by treating others as we wish to be treated.
Through history men have sought to alienate people who do things which society believe not to be normal. They hid away single young pregnant girls making them feel ashamed. They made it so homosexuals were frightened of their own feelings. They even treated the children born out of wedlock differently at one time.
Whatever a person does or does not do we need to ensure that when it hurts no other person we support them to help them feel they are not alone and isolated.


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« Reply #358 on: May 05, 2015, 08:29:51 AM »
SOME people???
Do you realise what repercussions such a finding will have ????
The Christian churches will LOVE this kind of thing & jump on it to say how God really DOES hate gays but you CAN CHANGE !!!!

Of course I DO know that Hinduism loves ALL people regardless !!!!!


Ok...so what are you saying?!  I don't know what Christians will say. I know what I think and that's what matters to me. 

If we know for a fact that homosexuality can be cured through epigenetic therapy...what's the problem? Even Len seems to be ok with it.  What's the problem is facing up to it instead of making a big deal about it?

In fact, it would prove to Christians that homosexuality is not a sin at all....
and just a abnormality that can be corrected. Good show, I would think!

Says who?   How can anything show homosexuality not a sin?  Now you are showing you have no idea what a sin is.  Will it also prove that adultery or stealing is not a sin... At least try and learn what a sin is, before including it in such a statement.
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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #359 on: May 05, 2015, 08:32:26 AM »
Things are a lot better, but when we still see this idea of homosexuality being a disease or compared to murder, there is a long long way to go. Still let's hope that that Ireland votes for gay marriage this month as a further step.

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« Reply #360 on: May 05, 2015, 08:42:23 AM »
As I have said many times before, Jesus might have been gay having a specific disciple whom he loved, and no bad thing if he had been.

Most likely referring to one of his brothers...

Matthew 13:55-56King James Version (KJV)

55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

John 20:2King James Version (KJV)

2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.



Was it the other Simon his brother? Because it appears to say he loved Simon Peter and the other disciple (Simon) whom Jesus loved (brother)
I have to wonder if this has been taken out of context over and over again. The 12 being the disciples he loved being closer to them than the others of the 72 sent out.



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« Reply #361 on: May 05, 2015, 08:46:32 AM »
I would just love to see the look on the faces of Christians who are bigots where homosexuality is concerned, if it could be proved Jesus in a physical relationship with another guy. ;D He NEVER condemned homosexuality!

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« Reply #362 on: May 05, 2015, 08:51:20 AM »
Morning floo.  Nothing can be proved about Jesus, it's all speculation, but you are right that he never said anything about homosexuality - maybe because he was never asked.  I can't imagine him in a sexual relationship, despite all the talk about him possibly loving Mary Magdalene in that way (& she was apparently a lot older than him), and loving a particular disciple - maybe in a brotherly way.  There's certainly no evidence he did anything like that.   
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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #363 on: May 05, 2015, 09:26:21 AM »
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He just dislikes his creation being used in a way it was never meant to be used.


But as God is an all powerful, all seeing, you know omnipotent type of guy/gal - why did he/she let it happen in the first place?

Cue lots of bollocks about free will etc.


Anyway Sass do you cut your hair? God created it to grow - why do you cut it? You dishonour the Lord by doing this.

Do you wear make up to improve your looks - that sounds a little bit like vanity to me - is vanity not a close cousin of pride - and is that not one of the sins?

And as for your toenails.

And what is it with women using sanitary towels? Surely God didn't mean you to do that???

In fact every aspect of your life today is a rebellion against God - so out of tune is it with the way God orginally created you to exist.

You are not a Christian at all - you are a sister of Satan.

Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #364 on: May 05, 2015, 09:50:27 AM »
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He just dislikes his creation being used in a way it was never meant to be used.


But as God is an all powerful, all seeing, you know omnipotent type of guy/gal - why did he/she let it happen in the first place?

Cue lots of bollocks about free will etc.


Anyway Sass do you cut your hair? God created it to grow - why do you cut it? You dishonour the Lord by doing this.

Do you wear make up to improve your looks - that sounds a little bit like vanity to me - is vanity not a close cousin of pride - and is that not one of the sins?

And as for your toenails.

And what is it with women using sanitary towels? Surely God didn't mean you to do that???

In fact every aspect of your life today is a rebellion against God - so out of tune is it with the way God orginally created you to exist.

You are not a Christian at all - you are a sister of Satan.

Wham!!!

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #365 on: May 05, 2015, 11:10:17 AM »
Nope, people are unhappy with the OPs personal opinion that homosexuality is a disease.

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« Reply #366 on: May 05, 2015, 11:14:25 AM »
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You know, they have to accept being gay and do the "proper " thing of coming out, like all the other gay people.

Diversity doesn't mean bullying people who think differently, it means accepting differences, even those people who are not happy about coming out as gay, and want what they see as a cure.

But I can see some people haven't noticed that yet.


You might have a point IF (and that's an IF in capitals a mile high) we get to a point in our society where young gay adults aren't laughed at by their peers, aren't thrown out of their homes by their parents, and aren't subjected to the myriad small put downs and discrimination that affect each and every gay person still today. Until that point is reached - you don't have a point.

Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #367 on: May 05, 2015, 11:20:15 AM »
I am happy to accept that some people may not be happy with their sexuality. Until they aren't feeling that because other people describe them as being diseased or wrong in the same way as being murderers, I will concentrate my ire on supporting them and calling out those with the views above.

I think it is a misrepresentation of what has been said on here that people are objecting to the notional possibility of a choice of sexuality, rather than being angry at those who have described posters and friends of posters on here as diseased.


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« Reply #368 on: May 05, 2015, 11:20:47 AM »
You don't think my ridiculing him for saying I was diseased is reasonable.

I thought it was perfectly reasonable considering the other options running through my head.

Carry on defending the indefensible Rose.
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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #369 on: May 05, 2015, 11:22:02 AM »
It;s diversity to think that Jews should be gassed. But I will not tolerate that any more than people describing my friends as diseased because they love each other.

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« Reply #370 on: May 05, 2015, 11:25:31 AM »
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You know, they have to accept being gay and do the "proper " thing of coming out, like all the other gay people.

Diversity doesn't mean bullying people who think differently, it means accepting differences, even those people who are not happy about coming out as gay, and want what they see as a cure.

But I can see some people haven't noticed that yet.


You might have a point IF (and that's an IF in capitals a mile high) we get to a point in our society where young gay adults aren't laughed at by their peers, aren't thrown out of their homes by their parents, and aren't subjected to the myriad small put downs and discrimination that affect each and every gay person still today. Until that point is reached - you don't have a point.

I agree entirely! Young people nowadays are being taught that being gay is  in no way wrong, but until the whole of society stops saying otherwise, it is very difficult for them not to be influenced.

It is very probable that when that time comes, some will still want to change in order to be able to have a child which is genetically shared with their partner. In that case, providing such treatment has been shown to be non-detrimental, why not?

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« Reply #371 on: May 05, 2015, 11:28:18 AM »
I find the idea that calling someone out for stating on here that some of the posters are diseased is bullying, laughable.

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« Reply #372 on: May 05, 2015, 11:31:01 AM »
That 'vocal and nasty minority' - they are the type of people who would describe homosexuality as a disease

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« Reply #373 on: May 05, 2015, 11:35:58 AM »
That 'vocal and nasty minority' - they are the type of people who would describe homosexuality as a disease

And they should be forced to submit to corrective education.  >:(

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« Reply #374 on: May 05, 2015, 11:54:03 AM »
Things are a lot better, but when we still see this idea of homosexuality being a disease or compared to murder, there is a long long way to go. Still let's hope that that Ireland votes for gay marriage this month as a further step.

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