Homosexuality!

[BashfulAnthony]

Won't somebody think of the children!!

Oh they have. They helped that they are all now equal and won't be discriminated against

No, they haven't thought of the children, Quiz.  If one looks at a lot of the family-related legislation that has been passed here in the UK over the last 50 years, it has been the children who have suffered most. 

Abortion:  OK, some will argue that a embryo/foetus/child can't survive by him/herself until they are 24 weeks/39 weeks/perhaps even 2 or 3 years old; but how many adults can realistically survive by themselves - very few if any.  As John Donne so famously said, 'no man is an island, entire of itself'. 

Divorce:  In divorce or separation, a child loses a lot of their natural support systems.  Very often, they end up with only one set of grandparents, uncles and aunts with the other parent's own parents and siblings almost always having no right to see their younger relation. 

Gay marriage/adoption:  As I have previously mentioned, a child's mental and emotional development is most balanced within a family with mixed-gender parents, and even more so when that mix is their own biological parents.

I accept that there are exceptions to all these rules, but exceptions shouldn't set the standard.  I also accept that there are a number of additional issues which also have an impact on a child's development, with 'love and concern' being an important one.

I also accept that there are 'natural' forms of the first two - abortion and divorce.  However, society's response to such natural forms is very different to that towards the 'manmade' versions, and often the underlying causes of the natural forms are very different to the latter.  Comparing the two is therefore generally unrealistic, though convenient.  For instance, how often does a natural abortion or miscarriage result from a perfectly normal foetus?  Rarely.  It is usually nature recognising that the foetus is unviable.  In the case of the death of a parent, the child(ren) usually continue to enjoy some contact with their grandparennts, uncles and aunts on that side.  Futhermore, the surviving parent often becomes eligible to receive their spouse's pension, etc. 

Finally, I would suggest that all the legislation that I have mentioned puts the adults' needs  before those of any children they might already have or have in the future - especially in the case of gay marriage/adoption.

My parents were mixed:  one man and one woman!  Boom, boom.     

[BashfulAnthony]

A child standing up for equality

http://happyplace.someecards.com/lgbt/7yearold-girl-silently-stands-up-to-homophobic-street-preacher-wins-the-internets-heart/

The child hadn't a clue what it was all about; and it's unfair on her to use her like that, whatever the cause.

[Shaker]

The child hadn't a clue what it was all about; and it's unfair on her to use her like that, whatever the cause.

How do you know?

[BashfulAnthony]

The child hadn't a clue what it was all about; and it's unfair on her to use her like that, whatever the cause.

How do you know?

Did you see her face?  She looked bewildered;  and how old is she?  Is it six?  That's how I know.

[BashfulAnthony]

A child standing up for equality

http://happyplace.someecards.com/lgbt/7yearold-girl-silently-stands-up-to-homophobic-street-preacher-wins-the-internets-heart/

The child hadn't a clue what it was all about; and it's unfair on her to use her like that, whatever the cause.

A child of that age probably understands that two people can love each other regardless of whether they are the same sex or not, and that the ranters sound hateful.

I knew a couple of homosexual men at about eight , and I understood that much 😀 plus I had been told they went to prison because of their love.

I initially assumed they were brothers but they asked my parents to address that issue.

Children can understand even if it is a bit simplistic.

Perhaps some of that is how you are told about it at that age.

I wasn't told it was wrong although people took the mick a bit, as people do.

I think you have a rather naive idea as to what a six-year-old understands;  or perhaps, more germane, what he/she actually cares about.   This child was put in a situation of some stress and clearly looked bewildered and at a loss, if not actually frightened, and that's what I object to.

[Owlswing]

A child standing up for equality

http://happyplace.someecards.com/lgbt/7yearold-girl-silently-stands-up-to-homophobic-street-preacher-wins-the-internets-heart/

The child hadn't a clue what it was all about; and it's unfair on her to use her like that, whatever the cause.

A child of that age probably understands that two people can love each other regardless of whether they are the same sex or not, and that the ranters sound hateful.

I knew a couple of homosexual men at about eight , and I understood that much 😀 plus I had been told they went to prison because of their love.

I initially assumed they were brothers but they asked my parents to address that issue.

Children can understand even if it is a bit simplistic.

Perhaps some of that is how you are told about it at that age.

I wasn't told it was wrong although people took the mick a bit, as people do.

I think you have a rather naive idea as to what a six-year-old understands;  or perhaps, more germane, what he/she actually cares about.   This child was put in a situation of some stress and clearly looked bewildered and at a loss, if not actually frightened, and that's what I object to.

Oh Goddess! I am actually going to agree with BA! Probably for the one and only time but hey!

I watched two children, boy and girl, aged 6 and 7 or thereabouts, as they watched a speaker giving an oration on the peaceful face of Islam in both English and Arabic on the high street where I live (West London with a TW postcode) and giving the man their total and rapt attention.

Mum eventually finished her burger and coffee and fag and called to the children to her; they came but reluctantly and the lady sitting next to the mother expressed her view that thye children seemed very interested in what the man was saying.

Mum laughed. "I doubt it," she said, "We are Polish and the children speak no English yet - they certainly know no Arabic!"

[BashfulAnthony]

A child standing up for equality

http://happyplace.someecards.com/lgbt/7yearold-girl-silently-stands-up-to-homophobic-street-preacher-wins-the-internets-heart/

The child hadn't a clue what it was all about; and it's unfair on her to use her like that, whatever the cause.

A child of that age probably understands that two people can love each other regardless of whether they are the same sex or not, and that the ranters sound hateful.

I knew a couple of homosexual men at about eight , and I understood that much 😀 plus I had been told they went to prison because of their love.

I initially assumed they were brothers but they asked my parents to address that issue.

Children can understand even if it is a bit simplistic.

Perhaps some of that is how you are told about it at that age.

I wasn't told it was wrong although people took the mick a bit, as people do.

I think you have a rather naive idea as to what a six-year-old understands;  or perhaps, more germane, what he/she actually cares about.   This child was put in a situation of some stress and clearly looked bewildered and at a loss, if not actually frightened, and that's what I object to.

Oh Goddess! I am actually going to agree with BA! Probably for the one and only time but hey!

I watched two children, boy and girl, aged 6 and 7 or thereabouts, as they watched a speaker giving an oration on the peaceful face of Islam in both English and Arabic on the high street where I live (West London with a TW postcode) and giving the man their total and rapt attention.

Mum eventually finished her burger and coffee and fag and called to the children to her; they came but reluctantly and the lady sitting next to the mother expressed her view that thye children seemed very interested in what the man was saying.

Mum laughed. "I doubt it," she said, "We are Polish and the children speak no English yet - they certainly know no Arabic!"

Well, that exactly illustrates what I mean.

And you never know, we might even agree on something else before the end of the decade!!   

[Owlswing]

A child standing up for equality

http://happyplace.someecards.com/lgbt/7yearold-girl-silently-stands-up-to-homophobic-street-preacher-wins-the-internets-heart/

The child hadn't a clue what it was all about; and it's unfair on her to use her like that, whatever the cause.

A child of that age probably understands that two people can love each other regardless of whether they are the same sex or not, and that the ranters sound hateful.

I knew a couple of homosexual men at about eight , and I understood that much 😀 plus I had been told they went to prison because of their love.

I initially assumed they were brothers but they asked my parents to address that issue.

Children can understand even if it is a bit simplistic.

Perhaps some of that is how you are told about it at that age.

I wasn't told it was wrong although people took the mick a bit, as people do.

I think you have a rather naive idea as to what a six-year-old understands;  or perhaps, more germane, what he/she actually cares about.   This child was put in a situation of some stress and clearly looked bewildered and at a loss, if not actually frightened, and that's what I object to.

Oh Goddess! I am actually going to agree with BA! Probably for the one and only time but hey!

I watched two children, boy and girl, aged 6 and 7 or thereabouts, as they watched a speaker giving an oration on the peaceful face of Islam in both English and Arabic on the high street where I live (West London with a TW postcode) and giving the man their total and rapt attention.

Mum eventually finished her burger and coffee and fag and called to the children to her; they came but reluctantly and the lady sitting next to the mother expressed her view that thye children seemed very interested in what the man was saying.

Mum laughed. "I doubt it," she said, "We are Polish and the children speak no English yet - they certainly know no Arabic!"

Well, that exactly illustrates what I mean.

And you never know, we might even agree on something else before the end of the decade!!   

Regretfully, I very much doubt it, but . . .

[Sassy]

There is a rather large US forum where she had not posted for ages last time I looked. So must be a member of more than two. Or came back whilst I was away. She has not twigged who I am ... LOL

LOL? What on earth is there to laugh about in concealing your identity from somebody that knows you?

It isn't a case of concealment.. It is a case that she cannot recognise me from my posts.
Which shows that people do not see the person by the posts but simply their bias at times..

[Sassy]

I'm staggered by how many Christian groups mostly in the USA are taking gay marriage as a sign of the end times and how many Muslims in a variety of places seem to be doing the same thing but using it to validate the Koran and both appear to be using it to justify the said destruction.

Even assuming both sets of writings are complete rubbish isn't it worrying that both groups have so many followers that are using it among other things to justify all sorts of violence and seeing it as a beginning of the end of the world, which they all appear to want.

😳

I think I have read to much extremist crap lately 

Time to put it away and have a break, perhaps.?

Which Christian groups as violent and justifying it?
Sorry Rose but you need to put up or apologise. Name the Christian Groups and what violence they are committing.

The anti-abortion lobbyists who use bombs and guns to put their point over?

There are atheists too. Do they belong to a particular atheist group?
Why would Christians be lobbying the world?
May be people have to think on.

Abortion, homosexuality and crime might not be for Christians. But what the rest of the world does is not the responsibility of Christians.
Only God can judge and we are not here to judge the world now.
Nor to condemn or harm those who have different beliefs or way of life. We are all answerable for ourselves in the end..

[Sassy]

I post on two US based forums where this sick bigotry is rife!

The glaring rejoinder to that is:  why do you post there?  Or here, for that matter?

Because, as are you, Floo is free to post to any forum anywhere.

There is a rather large US forum where she had not posted for ages last time I looked. So must be a member of more than two. Or came back whilst I was away. She has not twigged who I am ... LOL

Typical sneaky Christian behaviour - use a different name and then take the piss in your usual one - like the post above!

Nothing sneaky about it, Richard...
Getting a head of yourself and making two and two make Five.

GROW UP! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Sassy]

There is a rather large US forum where she had not posted for ages last time I looked. So must be a member of more than two. Or came back whilst I was away. She has not twigged who I am ... LOL

LOL? What on earth is there to laugh about in concealing your identity from somebody that knows you?

There are several members who could be Sass on the two US forums on which I am currently posting. Fruit loops is a good way of describing the vast majority of Christians who post there!

What a poor excuse...
As I said: " Whilst I have been away"

[Sassy]

There is a rather large US forum where she had not posted for ages last time I looked. So must be a member of more than two. Or came back whilst I was away. She has not twigged who I am ... LOL

LOL? What on earth is there to laugh about in concealing your identity from somebody that knows you?

There are several members who could be Sass on the two US forums on which I am currently posting. Fruit loops is a good way of describing the vast majority of Christians who post there!

I wonder how they'd describe you?     

The sites are serious mainly. Good modding. One member joined one of my sites.. It has been good in the past. Hardly post now perhaps the internet forums are dying out slowly...

[Sassy]

A child standing up for equality

http://happyplace.someecards.com/lgbt/7yearold-girl-silently-stands-up-to-homophobic-street-preacher-wins-the-internets-heart/

A child being used as a pawn in adult games.
For Gods sake what they going to use next?
A child of seven has no understanding of homosexuality...
Why WHY do they use children as pawns...

[Sassy]

A child standing up for equality

http://happyplace.someecards.com/lgbt/7yearold-girl-silently-stands-up-to-homophobic-street-preacher-wins-the-internets-heart/

The child hadn't a clue what it was all about; and it's unfair on her to use her like that, whatever the cause.

A child of that age probably understands that two people can love each other regardless of whether they are the same sex or not, and that the ranters sound hateful.

What kind of parent would open their children up to the meaning of homosexuality in all definitions?

I knew a couple of homosexual men at about eight , and I understood that much 😀 plus I had been told they went to prison because of their love.

How old are you Rose?
At 8 years of age, I did not even know homosexuality existed..
My parents were not bigots and I was not raised with any prejudice.

I initially assumed they were brothers but they asked my parents to address that issue.

Children can understand even if it is a bit simplistic.

Perhaps some of that is how you are told about it at that age.

You don't tell children at 7 years if age what homosexuality....

I wasn't told it was wrong although people took the mick a bit, as people do.

What age did your parents explain what homosexuality was?

[Sassy]

I post on two US based forums where this sick bigotry is rife!

The glaring rejoinder to that is:  why do you post there?  Or here, for that matter?

Because, as are you, Floo is free to post to any forum anywhere.

There is a rather large US forum where she had not posted for ages last time I looked. So must be a member of more than two. Or came back whilst I was away. She has not twigged who I am ... LOL

Typical sneaky Christian behaviour - use a different name and then take the piss in your usual one - like the post above!

Nothing sneaky about it, Richard...
Getting a head of yourself and making two and two make Five.

GROW UP! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Who's Richard?

( two insomniacs at 4am?  😀💐 )

It is ok... he knows who Richard is...
I have been unable to sleep for a while will pay in the morning..LOL...

[Owlswing]

I'm staggered by how many Christian groups mostly in the USA are taking gay marriage as a sign of the end times and how many Muslims in a variety of places seem to be doing the same thing but using it to validate the Koran and both appear to be using it to justify the said destruction.

Even assuming both sets of writings are complete rubbish isn't it worrying that both groups have so many followers that are using it among other things to justify all sorts of violence and seeing it as a beginning of the end of the world, which they all appear to want.

😳

I think I have read to much extremist crap lately 

Time to put it away and have a break, perhaps.?

Which Christian groups as violent and justifying it?
Sorry Rose but you need to put up or apologise. Name the Christian Groups and what violence they are committing.

The anti-abortion lobbyists who use bombs and guns to put their point over?

There are atheists too. Do they belong to a particular atheist group?
Why would Christians be lobbying the world?
May be people have to think on.

Abortion, homosexuality and crime might not be for Christians. But what the rest of the world does is not the responsibility of Christians.
Only God can judge and we are not here to judge the world now.
Nor to condemn or harm those who have different beliefs or way of life. We are all answerable for ourselves in the end..

You are, from this post, the most unpleasant hypocrite I have yet seen on here.

I have yet to see any Atheist group bombing abortion centres or killing doctors for performing abortions or standing outside abortion clinics to prevent women getting into them.

But what the rest of the world does is not the responsibility of Christians. . . . Nor to condemn or harm those who have different beliefs or way of life.

You have been judging anyone who disagrees with your Bible ever since I joined this forum. Christians condemn non-believers out of hand, and Christians harm them by preventing them getting treatment they need because your god proscribes abortion.

[Owlswing]

I post on two US based forums where this sick bigotry is rife!

The glaring rejoinder to that is:  why do you post there?  Or here, for that matter?

Because, as are you, Floo is free to post to any forum anywhere.

There is a rather large US forum where she had not posted for ages last time I looked. So must be a member of more than two. Or came back whilst I was away. She has not twigged who I am ... LOL

Typical sneaky Christian behaviour - use a different name and then take the piss in your usual one - like the post above!

Nothing sneaky about it, Richard...
Getting a head of yourself and making two and two make Five.

GROW UP! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Who's Richard?

( two insomniacs at 4am?  😀💐 )

Richard, Rose, is me!

As in Richard Cranium which is a way of calling me Dick Head without getting modedd.

[Aruntraveller]

A child standing up for equality

http://happyplace.someecards.com/lgbt/7yearold-girl-silently-stands-up-to-homophobic-street-preacher-wins-the-internets-heart/

A child being used as a pawn in adult games.
For Gods sake what they going to use next?
A child of seven has no understanding of homosexuality...
Why WHY do they use children as pawns...

Whilst not defending this - Christians are not averse to using children in this manner to.

A while ago I posted a link to a clip of a child of  8 (iirc) who was preaching against homosexuality in a very unpleasant fashion. You didn't believe it could happen. I posted proof it could. You went very quiet then.

I have seen you type this before "What's sauce for the goose....".

I don't condone either action as it happens, because I don't think children should be used in this way. But that goes for lots of issues that parents choose to involve their children in - not specifically on the issue of sexuality.

[Leonard James]

I don't condone either action as it happens, because I don't think children should be used in this way. But that goes for lots of issues that parents choose to involve their children in - not specifically on the issue of sexuality.

Indeed! To indoctrinate a child with a religious belief before its power to reason is fully developed is abusing it ... no matter how strong your own belief is.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't condone either action as it happens, because I don't think children should be used in this way. But that goes for lots of issues that parents choose to involve their children in - not specifically on the issue of sexuality.

Indeed! To indoctrinate a child with a religious belief before its power to reason is fully developed is abusing it ... no matter how strong your own belief is.

By indoctrinate, do you just mean brought up in their religion?

[Leonard James]

I don't condone either action as it happens, because I don't think children should be used in this way. But that goes for lots of issues that parents choose to involve their children in - not specifically on the issue of sexuality.

Indeed! To indoctrinate a child with a religious belief before its power to reason is fully developed is abusing it ... no matter how strong your own belief is.

By indoctrinate, do you just mean brought up in their religion?

If "brought up in" means anything more than nominally, yes.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't condone either action as it happens, because I don't think children should be used in this way. But that goes for lots of issues that parents choose to involve their children in - not specifically on the issue of sexuality.

Indeed! To indoctrinate a child with a religious belief before its power to reason is fully developed is abusing it ... no matter how strong your own belief is.

By indoctrinate, do you just mean brought up in their religion?

If "brought up in" means anything more than nominally, yes.

Then I find the statement objectionable nonsense, my old sainted mother did not abuse me in my upbringing and that idea is a vacuous insult to her and people who suffer real abuse

[Sassy]

A child standing up for equality

http://happyplace.someecards.com/lgbt/7yearold-girl-silently-stands-up-to-homophobic-street-preacher-wins-the-internets-heart/

The child hadn't a clue what it was all about; and it's unfair on her to use her like that, whatever the cause.

A child of that age probably understands that two people can love each other regardless of whether they are the same sex or not, and that the ranters sound hateful.

What kind of parent would open their children up to the meaning of homosexuality in all definitions?

I knew a couple of homosexual men at about eight , and I understood that much 😀 plus I had been told they went to prison because of their love.

How old are you Rose?
At 8 years of age, I did not even know homosexuality existed..
My parents were not bigots and I was not raised with any prejudice.

I initially assumed they were brothers but they asked my parents to address that issue.

Children can understand even if it is a bit simplistic.

Perhaps some of that is how you are told about it at that age.

You don't tell children at 7 years if age what homosexuality....

I wasn't told it was wrong although people took the mick a bit, as people do.

What age did your parents explain what homosexuality was?

We moved when I was about 7 and my parents went in for collecting antiques. The antique dealer had a boyfriend who I initially thought was his brother.

I suppose I must have been about 8 or 9 when it was explained to me they weren't brothers but that one of them was a boyfriend and that at least one of them had gone to prison because of it.

I think it is terrible to have sent one of them to prison and I am not sure why one and not both???  It is wrong to have imprisoned anyone for being homosexual.

It really wasn't a big deal at the time, no one went into the sex side of it or over complicated it.

Just that it was two men committed to each other.

What is the commitment thing?
How did they explain that? I am just interested as you were a child...

It's not really a big deal, they were just a part of the small community that I came across at a young age. ( they were also neighbours living close by)

So the whole community were aware but who would report them to the police?
If you thought they were brothers then why did the police get involved? Someone must have blabbed?

No one was trying to explain homosexuality in all its definitions.


You probably didn't have a couple who were homosexuals in your community who you came into contact with on a regular basis, so it was probably never necessary.

I knew nothing about homosexuality to later in life...Probably my teens. Before I went to college I did some part-time work and two men were homosexuals one use to paint his fingernails they were like womens nails... He was always immaculately dressed and I really did not have any feelings one way or the other it was unusual the nails but never gave it another thought...

The guys concerned didn't want me thinking and referring to them as brothers.

It was no big deal, at the time.

I didn't think so, anyway.

I never asked about it... there seemed no reason to. My family and I, never had any issues about the way others chose to live their lives.. We were all human beings and we all needed to be treated right....

It's a bit like having someone at school who has two dads or two mums, children ask why and deserve some sort of answer.

So you just tell them they are a couple, without all the gory details that are important to adults ( like sex).

When we were children it never happened... children never had two mums or two dads..
Today the children have to grow up too soon!

A very young child could ask why another child has two Daddies, you don't have to go into vast detail 😉

Children are more likely to come across same sex relationships now such things are more open, therefore people need ways of explaining to children, different relationships.

How do you explain two dads and two mums cannot have children together?
We are simplifying it... what is there to explain how that only one parent can actually be related if done by surrogate? 

I just happened to come across it at a young age, which was rare I suppose in the 1960's.

It's not rare anymore though is it?

In the 60's it was rare and all in the closet.
Men who were homosexual actually married and had relationships with other men.
One of our lay preachers had a daughter who was married with children.
She knew nothing about his homosexuality till Harold Wilson passed a new act which decriminalised homosexual acts 'between consenting adults in private'-.the very same day he walked out and left her with young children to raise alone. His daughter and the children never heard from him again.. A cold and callous action for a man with young children..

We have to remember that his ignoring his children had nothing to do with his sexuality but was more a statement as to his own personality. He walked out on his kids...He was living a lie and he was a selfish man to have married and had kids if he was completely homosexual.. It does those who are homosexual no favours because he clearly lived and chose a life where he was sleeping with a woman.

I know my friends neighbour walked out on her husband and family for another woman.
But the children were so hurt as she did not try to contact them and lived locally with the woman... No matter what happens a parent should NEVER neglect their children...

[Leonard James]

Then I find the statement objectionable nonsense, my old sainted mother did not abuse me in my upbringing and that idea is a vacuous insult to her and people who suffer real abuse

Then substitute the word abuse with "severe disservice". Whichever way you look at it it is teaching children something as fact when it is no more than a personal belief.