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Sriram

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Homosexuality!
« on: April 29, 2015, 07:10:02 AM »
Hi everyone,

Ok....the subject of homosexuality is always controversial and lots of people tend to get all charged up. This could be one such...(or maybe not). 

Here is my favorite subject of epignetics again.  They say that homosexuality could even be cured through epigenetic therapy. 

Alright...some people may feel that homosexuality is not...repeat not... a  disease and does not need to be cured!  But I tend to disagree.   

Here is some scientific stuff on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetic_theories_of_homosexuality

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Epigenetic theories of homosexuality concerns the study of changes in gene expression or cellular phenotype caused by mechanisms other than changes in the underlying DNA sequence.

One team of researchers examined the effects of epi-marks buffering XX fetuses and XY fetuses from certain androgen exposure and used published data on fetal androgen signaling and gene regulation through non-genetic changes in DNA packaging to develop a new model for homosexuality.[2] The researchers found that stronger than average epi-marks, epigenomes that are wrapped tightly around the DNA sequence, convert sexual preference in individuals without altering genitalia or sexual identity.[3]

This research gives support to the hypothesis that homosexuality stems from the under expression of certain genes on the DNA sequence involved with sexual preferences. This theory as well as other concepts involved with epi-marks, twin studies, and fetal androgen signaling will be explored here.

 A "gay" gene does not produce homosexuality, rather, epigenetic modifications act as temporary "switches" that regulate how the genes are expressed[7] Only twenty percent of identical twins are both homosexual which leads to the hypothesis that even though identical twins share the same DNA, homosexuality is created by something else rather than the genes. Epigenetic transformation allows the on and off switch of certain genes, subsequently shaping how cells respond to androgen signaling, which is critical in sexual development.

This demonstrates that gene coding for these epi-marks can spread in the population because they benefit the development and fitness of the parent but only rarely escape erasure, leading to mismatched sexual preference in offspring.

Following a late 2012 publication on possible epigenetic origins of homosexuality,[10] some people[who?] have suggested that it might be possible to alter one's sexual orientation with epigenetic therapy,[11] similarly to treatment of diabetes, cancer or schizophrenia.

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This also highlights the fact that lifestyle and environmental factors (that's what epigenetics is all about) could be producing homosexual tendencies.   

For information.

Cheers.

Sriram
« Last Edit: April 29, 2015, 07:14:48 AM by Sriram »

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2015, 07:46:54 AM »
Hi Sriram,

That all sounds very feasible, and I hope it can be proved and put into practice, with the proviso that the choice of sexuality modification is left to the individual concerned.

As a young man I would definitely have sought such help, but social norms are now more flexible, and gay youngsters are not treated so cruelly as they were in my day.

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2015, 07:56:28 AM »
Does this mean some 'straight' people might have the choice to be 'gay'???

<does not need to be cured!  But I tend to disagree>
So Sriram bhai, you feel being gay is akin to being a leper or carrying some disease that will wipe out mankind ??? ::)

Hitler would've loved your attitude !!!!!

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2015, 08:27:52 AM »
Does this mean some 'straight' people might have the choice to be 'gay'???

<does not need to be cured!  But I tend to disagree>
So Sriram bhai, you feel being gay is akin to being a leper or carrying some disease that will wipe out mankind ??? ::)

Hitler would've loved your attitude !!!!!

Nick
That was a bit quick for Godwin's rule.

Wow. The ability to change ones sexual orientation ! Fantastic ! If I was  single and the supply of women was low, I could simply take a pill and hey presto I could chase after the boys !
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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2015, 08:32:50 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
 ;)

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2015, 08:33:38 AM »
Does this mean some 'straight' people might have the choice to be 'gay'???

<does not need to be cured!  But I tend to disagree>
So Sriram bhai, you feel being gay is akin to being a leper or carrying some disease that will wipe out mankind ??? ::)

Hitler would've loved your attitude !!!!!

Nick



Why leper and wiping out mankind?! That's a bit over the top.  :D

I have never thought of homosexuality as a big deal either way. Most Indians don't (you might know). It is not condemned in our scriptures nor are gays sent to hell or anything of that sort.   

I think its an abnormality that occurs now and then in some people. No big deal.  If it can be cured and people can live normal lives....why not?!   


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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2015, 08:36:14 AM »
SOME people???
Do you realise what repercussions such a finding will have ????
The Christian churches will LOVE this kind of thing & jump on it to say how God really DOES hate gays but you CAN CHANGE !!!!

Of course I DO know that Hinduism loves ALL people regardless !!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2015, 08:36:39 AM »
Does this mean some 'straight' people might have the choice to be 'gay'???

<does not need to be cured!  But I tend to disagree>
So Sriram bhai, you feel being gay is akin to being a leper or carrying some disease that will wipe out mankind ??? ::)

Hitler would've loved your attitude !!!!!

Nick



Why leper and wiping out mankind?! That's a bit over the top.  :D

I have never thought of homosexuality as a big deal either way. Most Indians don't (you might know). It is not condemned in our scriptures nor are gays sent to hell or anything of that sort.   

I think its an abnormality that occurs now and then in some people. No big deal.  If it can be cured and people can live normal lives....why not?!
Hey Sriram, maybe your heterosexuality can be cured.
I have an infinite number of belief systems cos there are an infinite number of things I don't believe in.

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2015, 08:37:35 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Assuming he IS a hetero???!!!!

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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2015, 08:39:31 AM »
Oh and your 'An Odd Fact' shines through with this attitude too ?!?!!?

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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2015, 08:42:47 AM »
SOME people???
Do you realise what repercussions such a finding will have ????
The Christian churches will LOVE this kind of thing & jump on it to say how God really DOES hate gays but you CAN CHANGE !!!!

Of course I DO know that Hinduism loves ALL people regardless !!!!!


Ok...so what are you saying?!  I don't know what Christians will say. I know what I think and that's what matters to me. 

If we know for a fact that homosexuality can be cured through epigenetic therapy...what's the problem? Even Len seems to be ok with it.  What's the problem is facing up to it instead of making a big deal about it?

In fact, it would prove to Christians that homosexuality is not a sin at all....and just a abnormality that can be corrected. Good show, I would think! 

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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2015, 08:46:01 AM »
Are you bloody serious in your bigotry against gays ?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!!??

I'm not sure if it's pity or just prejudice ?!?!?
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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2015, 08:50:06 AM »
Are you bloody serious in your bigotry against gays ?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!!??


Bigotry...no. Facing scientific facts..yes! 

Are you gay by the way? You are getting so upset!  :)

I am off for lunch. See you later.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2015, 08:52:22 AM by Sriram »

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2015, 08:53:16 AM »
There's nothing personal here.
Oh & don't try THOSE tricks here, please being gay & not 'appreciating' changing gays is a poor argument.

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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2015, 09:06:12 AM »
Does this mean some 'straight' people might have the choice to be 'gay'???

<does not need to be cured!  But I tend to disagree>
So Sriram bhai, you feel being gay is akin to being a leper or carrying some disease that will wipe out mankind ??? ::)

Hitler would've loved your attitude !!!!!

Nick



Why leper and wiping out mankind?! That's a bit over the top.  :D

I have never thought of homosexuality as a big deal either way. Most Indians don't (you might know). It is not condemned in our scriptures nor are gays sent to hell or anything of that sort.   

I think its an abnormality that occurs now and then in some people. No big deal.  If it can be cured and people can live normal lives....why not?!

My gay friends would be perfectly able to lead normal lives of it wasn't for people like you stating they are diseased.

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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2015, 09:12:57 AM »
Are you bloody serious in your bigotry against gays ?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!!??


Bigotry...no. Facing scientific facts..yes! 

Are you gay by the way? You are getting so upset!  :)

I am off for lunch. See you later.

What scientific fact says it is a disease?

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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2015, 09:13:56 AM »
Or something's not quite 'right' in the way they're made up !?!!?!??

Didn't Hitler or some other loony look into the chemical make-up of people in this ridiculous manner ???? :o ::)

<Are you gay by the way? You are getting so upset!>

Doesn't sarcasm like this stink of s..t?

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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2015, 09:24:28 AM »
As I have said many times before, Jesus might have been gay having a specific disciple whom he loved, and no bad thing if he had been.

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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2015, 09:38:56 AM »

Bigotry...no. Facing scientific facts..yes! 


The science is very interesting. The use of the word 'cure' and saying that if cured people could then lead 'normal' lives is your problem here Sriram - can't you see that?

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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2015, 09:48:23 AM »
Oh trying not to lose my temper here.

I don't think you realise how offensive that is - yes I am gay.

The only comment I am going to restrict myself to is that you seem to be in favour of restricitng diversity.

That to me is a bad thing to do for the future of the human race. This does not only apply to the issue of homosexuality.

Some years ago I read an article about the loss of languages throughout the world and how language affects the way people think. The loss of languages had in the opinion of the author led to a restriction in the way the human race thinks.

The gist of what I am saying is that uniformity is a bland quality to aim for - furthermore it's a bad quality to aim for.

So basically your premise is detrimental to the human race and you are wrong.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2015, 09:58:38 AM »
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I have never thought of homosexuality as a big deal either way

I said I was going to restrict myself - but this struck me as an odd assertion to make.

After all two of your recent topics have been concerned with this issue.

Methinks he doth protest too much.

Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2015, 09:59:17 AM »
I agree with you so much, Trent. It seems to me to be one of the tragedies of our age, this desire to weed out difference and diversity. It's supposed to be progressive, but we lose so much. The richness and diversity of humanity is something we should celebrate.

Wanting to eradicate difference by medical means isn't so very different to attempting to eradicate it with guns, machetes or gas chambers.

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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2015, 10:11:26 AM »
Yes, the phrase 'normal lives' makes me puke.   It's just a cover for bigotry and conformism, actually quite sinister.  Also talk of 'cure' is disgusting.   Go and cure yourself of your bigotry.
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2015, 10:19:16 AM »
Agreed. To talk of a standard to living a 'normal life' or being 'normal' gives the green light to bullying and mockery of the 'abnormal' and legitimises the efforts of science and the state to eradicate difference.

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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2015, 10:43:55 AM »
As I have said many times before, Jesus might have been gay having a specific disciple whom he loved, and no bad thing if he had been.

Jesus loved all of us.  There are different connotations in the word "love."  Why must you assume it is used in your example with homosexual connotations?  I didn't realise you were so obsessed with sex as well as religion.  You just need to develop some interest in politics and you have the set!      :(
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