Homosexuality!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

This from someone who has regularly used murder as a comparitor for homosexuality.

Selective memory there NS.  I have never used murder as a 'comparitor' for homosexuality.  In fact, I have never used anything as a 'comparitor' for homosexuality.  What I have done is say that I believe the 'same-sex' sex to be wrong, in the same way that I believe many other forms of activity to be wrong.  That includes lying, theft, fraud, rape, murder, paedophilia, deceit, slavery, etc.

You just shot yourself royally in the foot there, pal. 
Reread your 3rd sentence on to the end & then say they're not contradictory, I DARES YA !!!

And furthermore as I understand it Sin is Sin - there are no gradations to a Christian, therefore they are equivalent in some peoples minds.

Sin Is sin and we have all fallen short.
The judgmental Christian is a much loved antitheist lie.
Todays secular Britain lives on judgment and fault finding,
Gradation of sin is a secular invention designed to make people feel better about themselves.
The result of this is a sniffy attitude to the poor and disabled as evidenced by....well the reality of secular Britain.

So do you put monogamous, respectful, loving, sexually active gay relationships in the 'sin' bracket then? On what basis?

A dodge. All you are saying here to defend yourself against the charge of being judgmental is .........If you come up with the wrong answer you are worse than me.......shabby and pathetic Rhiannon.

[Rhiannon]

This from someone who has regularly used murder as a comparitor for homosexuality.

Selective memory there NS.  I have never used murder as a 'comparitor' for homosexuality.  In fact, I have never used anything as a 'comparitor' for homosexuality.  What I have done is say that I believe the 'same-sex' sex to be wrong, in the same way that I believe many other forms of activity to be wrong.  That includes lying, theft, fraud, rape, murder, paedophilia, deceit, slavery, etc.

You just shot yourself royally in the foot there, pal. 
Reread your 3rd sentence on to the end & then say they're not contradictory, I DARES YA !!!

And furthermore as I understand it Sin is Sin - there are no gradations to a Christian, therefore they are equivalent in some peoples minds.

Sin Is sin and we have all fallen short.
The judgmental Christian is a much loved antitheist lie.
Todays secular Britain lives on judgment and fault finding,
Gradation of sin is a secular invention designed to make people feel better about themselves.
The result of this is a sniffy attitude to the poor and disabled as evidenced by....well the reality of secular Britain.

So do you put monogamous, respectful, loving, sexually active gay relationships in the 'sin' bracket then? On what basis?

A dodge. All you are saying here to defend yourself against the charge of being judgmental is .........If you come up with the wrong answer you are worse than me.......shabby and pathetic Rhiannon.

So you won't answer, then. Why? If your beliefs are correct then you have nothing to be afraid of in declaring them.

I don't think anyone is 'worse than me'. At what?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

This from someone who has regularly used murder as a comparitor for homosexuality.

Selective memory there NS.  I have never used murder as a 'comparitor' for homosexuality.  In fact, I have never used anything as a 'comparitor' for homosexuality.  What I have done is say that I believe the 'same-sex' sex to be wrong, in the same way that I believe many other forms of activity to be wrong.  That includes lying, theft, fraud, rape, murder, paedophilia, deceit, slavery, etc.

You just shot yourself royally in the foot there, pal. 
Reread your 3rd sentence on to the end & then say they're not contradictory, I DARES YA !!!

And furthermore as I understand it Sin is Sin - there are no gradations to a Christian, therefore they are equivalent in some peoples minds.

Sin Is sin and we have all fallen short.
The judgmental Christian is a much loved antitheist lie.
Todays secular Britain lives on judgment and fault finding,
Gradation of sin is a secular invention designed to make people feel better about themselves.
The result of this is a sniffy attitude to the poor and disabled as evidenced by....well the reality of secular Britain.

So do you put monogamous, respectful, loving, sexually active gay relationships in the 'sin' bracket then? On what basis?

A dodge. All you are saying here to defend yourself against the charge of being judgmental is .........If you come up with the wrong answer you are worse than me.......shabby and pathetic Rhiannon.

So you won't answer, then. Why? If your beliefs are correct then you have nothing to be afraid of in declaring them.

I don't think anyone is 'worse than me'. At what?

Why should I encourage you to feel better about yourself at others expense>
I have nothing to be afraid of in any case from people faultfinding to preserve their own self esteem.

[Rhiannon]

So you try attacking me instead of answering my question. That's a very weak thing to do.

[Shaker]

Who are these others at whose expense Rhiannon is, supposedly, making herself feel better?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Who are these others at whose expense Rhiannon is, supposedly, making herself feel better?

Anybody who is on the zeitgeist list of people who are ''morally inferior to oneself''.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

With others Shaker it will be feigning solidarity with any group that helps you stick one of on the church.
I think you catch my drift.

[trippymonkey]

<Anybody who is on the zeitgeist list of people who are ''morally inferior to oneself''>

Does that include you ?

[Shaker]

Sin Is sin and we have all fallen short.

Would you care defining this concept Vladdles? Only I've been having a discussion about this on another thread and your input might be useful for once.

The judgmental Christian is a much loved antitheist lie.

Is it really? Only I can think of lots and lots of judgemental Christians. Names supplied on request, if you have a few hours to spare anyway.

Todays secular Britain lives on judgment and fault finding,

Does it? Not what I see - can you give examples?

Gradation of sin is a secular invention designed to make people feel better about themselves.

Gradation of wrongdoing (a term I'll use since I can define that, whereas you haven't defined 'sin' yet) is basic sanity, since you have to be utterly divorced from reality to find shoplifting morally equivalent to sexual offences against children, for example, or - to use a familiar and utterly mad example - thinking of committing adultery equivalent to actually committing adultery. George Orwell coined a term for that: I'm sure you know what it is, Vlad.

The result of this is a sniffy attitude to the poor and disabled as evidenced by....well the reality of secular Britain.

I don't see a sniffy attitude to the poor and disabled amongst the general populace - quite the opposite. Sniffy attitudes to the poor and disabled certainly do exist in some quarters of the Conservative-dominated coalition government, that's for sure ... most especially in the form of Iain Duncan Smith, who regards himself as a Catholic.

Go, as they say, figure.

[Shaker]

With others Shaker it will be feigning solidarity with any group that helps you stick one of on the church.
I think you catch my drift.

Erm, no ... not with a sentence like that ... no.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

<Anybody who is on the zeitgeist list of people who are ''morally inferior to oneself''>

Does that include you ?

Most certainly. Antitheists are obsessed with moral superiority and sometimes spend whole lives justifying yourselves.

[Rhiannon]

Who are these others at whose expense Rhiannon is, supposedly, making herself feel better?

Anybody who is on the zeitgeist list of people who are ''morally inferior to oneself''.

Why would I need to do that? Oh hang on, you've divined that I have 'low self esteem' and decided to use that as a way of getting one over on me.

Is it ok in Christian thought to target what you believe to be a person's weakness these days?

[Shaker]

Most certainly. Antitheists are obsessed with moral superiority and sometimes spend whole lives justifying yourselves.

Examples of an antitheist spending their whole life justifying themselves, please.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Who are these others at whose expense Rhiannon is, supposedly, making herself feel better?

Anybody who is on the zeitgeist list of people who are ''morally inferior to oneself''.

Why would I need to do that? Oh hang on, you've divined that I have 'low self esteem' and decided to use that as a way of getting one over on me.

Is it ok in Christian thought to target what you believe to be a person's weakness these days?

No lower moral self esteem than anyone else.
If it had slipped your attention Christianity is the only philosophy world view which doesn't believe in a league table of condemnable people or the phony notion that if ''I'm not as bad as that person'' I am somehow heading for the place of the angels.

[Shaker]

No lower moral self esteem than anyone else.
If it had slipped your attention Christianity is the only philosophy world view which doesn't believe in a league table of condemnable people or the phony notion that if ''I'm not as bad as that person''

That's one of the several things which makes it so, not only absurd, but obnoxious.

Do you not see yourself as better than someone who tortures and rapes small children, Vlad? If you can answer an honest 'no' to that question that the fact has to be faced that you have utterly vitiated any sane, rational conception of moral behaviour.

I am somehow heading for the place of the angels.

Never wise to assume. You might be surprised, Vlad.

[Rhiannon]

Who are these others at whose expense Rhiannon is, supposedly, making herself feel better?

Anybody who is on the zeitgeist list of people who are ''morally inferior to oneself''.

Why would I need to do that? Oh hang on, you've divined that I have 'low self esteem' and decided to use that as a way of getting one over on me.

Is it ok in Christian thought to target what you believe to be a person's weakness these days?

No lower moral self esteem than anyone else.
If it had slipped your attention Christianity is the only philosophy world view which doesn't believe in a league table of condemnable people or the phony notion that if ''I'm not as bad as that person'' I am somehow heading for the place of the angels.

Hmm, I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin, thanks.

What is the pagan philosophy on judgement?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No lower moral self esteem than anyone else.
If it had slipped your attention Christianity is the only philosophy world view which doesn't believe in a league table of condemnable people or the phony notion that if ''I'm not as bad as that person''

That's one of the several things which makes it so, not only absurd, but obnoxious.

Do you not see yourself as better than someone who tortures and rapes small children, Vlad? If you can answer an honest 'no' to that question that the fact has to be faced that you have utterly vitiated any sane, rational conception of moral behaviour.

I am somehow heading for the place of the angels.

Never wise to assume. You might be surprised, Vlad.

You are completely wrong to think that since these people exist. You are morally OK.

[Shaker]

You are completely wrong to think that since these people exist. You are morally OK.

That's not an answer which bears any relation to anything so far said. I didn't state that I was morally OK (though by the most widely, broadly accepted humane and humanistic values of the vast majority of people in my society at this point in time, actually I am). My comment was in response to your post in which you opined that Christianity is the only worldview which doesn't believe in a league table of condemnable people - i.e. it denies, according to you, that some people and their actions are better and worse than some other people and their actions. This in itself seems to indicate that everybody is equally morally bad, which may well be bog-standard Christianity - there is scriptural support for it - but is moral imbecility.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Who are these others at whose expense Rhiannon is, supposedly, making herself feel better?

Anybody who is on the zeitgeist list of people who are ''morally inferior to oneself''.

Why would I need to do that? Oh hang on, you've divined that I have 'low self esteem' and decided to use that as a way of getting one over on me.

Is it ok in Christian thought to target what you believe to be a person's weakness these days?

No lower moral self esteem than anyone else.
If it had slipped your attention Christianity is the only philosophy world view which doesn't believe in a league table of condemnable people or the phony notion that if ''I'm not as bad as that person'' I am somehow heading for the place of the angels.

Hmm, I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin, thanks.

What is the pagan philosophy on judgement?

Er,get the Gods to attack your enemies?.....at least that's what a reading of the prayers found at Bath give the impression of.

[Rhiannon]

Who are these others at whose expense Rhiannon is, supposedly, making herself feel better?

Anybody who is on the zeitgeist list of people who are ''morally inferior to oneself''.

Why would I need to do that? Oh hang on, you've divined that I have 'low self esteem' and decided to use that as a way of getting one over on me.

Is it ok in Christian thought to target what you believe to be a person's weakness these days?

No lower moral self esteem than anyone else.
If it had slipped your attention Christianity is the only philosophy world view which doesn't believe in a league table of condemnable people or the phony notion that if ''I'm not as bad as that person'' I am somehow heading for the place of the angels.

Hmm, I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin, thanks.

What is the pagan philosophy on judgement?

Er,get the Gods to attack your enemies?.....at least that's what a reading of the prayers found at Bath give the impression of.

So that's what I base my ideas of judgement on? A piece of Romano-British text from sixteen, seventeen hundred years ago?

[Hope]

I think some Christians like to use the not so good book as an excuse for their bigotry, but they would be bigoted anyway, Bible or no Bible!

In fact, I think some of the most bigoted people around are those who feel that it is acceptable to ridicule the understanding of others, as to what is best for society.  If one thinks for a moment, most people will have shaped their worldview around something they have read and/or heard, either as a child or during their adulthood.

[Hope]

BIGOT. Is being left handed abnormal?

Technically, yes, floo.  Only about 10% of any population is totally single-handed (probably split 50-50 between right- and left-handedness.  A normal (aka average) person is - to some degree of other - ambidexterous.  However, it is perfectly natural to be wholly one or the other.

[jeremyp]

I think some of the most bigoted people around are those who feel that it is acceptable to ridicule the understanding of others, as to what is best for society.

But when people's understanding is as warped as the religionist antipathy towards gay people, there's nothing left except ridicule.

[Shaker]

BIGOT. Is being left handed abnormal?

Technically, yes, floo.  Only about 10% of any population is totally single-handed (probably split 50-50 between right- and left-handedness.  A normal (aka average) person is - to some degree of other - ambidexterous.  However, it is perfectly natural to be wholly one or the other.

As with homosexuality, then.

[Shaker]

In fact, I think some of the most bigoted people around are those who feel that it is acceptable to ridicule the understanding of others, as to what is best for society.

The members/adherents/acolytes of ISIS have their views as to what constitutes the best for society. I think their ideas are a nightmarish abomination and I attack, mock, belittle, disparage and deride them at every available opportunity.

If this makes me a bigot in your eyes I can only consider that a badge of honour that every decent individual should be proud to own.