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Leonard James

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #650 on: May 22, 2015, 08:10:53 PM »

The implication is though that it's ok because hetrosexual couples do it.

Nonsense! The implication was that to exclude gay couples because of the dangers of anal penetration is a tad stupid if you are not going to exclude heteros who indulge in it too.

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #651 on: May 22, 2015, 08:11:15 PM »
Sorry Rose but NO.
The real issue is whether it's ONLY regular & 'normal' for gay couples.

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #652 on: May 22, 2015, 08:14:34 PM »
If it might be so bold to suggest it is the fidelity of the partner that matters, not what sex the individuals are.

If you are faithful to one partner, that does a lot to alleviate concerns.

But since there is no way to ascertain fidelity, whether gay or straight, it doesn't work, does it?

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #653 on: May 22, 2015, 08:16:17 PM »
Is there anyone, 'sane', here that can give sensible & honest reasons why 2 of the same gender, PHYSICAL gender that is, cannot love each other EXACTLY as 2 differently organed can?
If you are talking about penetration, I explained that the blood donor organisations think there is more risk of passing on disease as the tissues in the bum are more likely to tear than the tissues in the vagina and statistics show that sexually active gay men present a higher risk group in terms of being blood donors. People can still physically penetrate either orifice, so it is not a question of why they cannot love, it's more a question of higher risk factors associated with that particular kind of love.

Policy decisions are often made on statistical risk rather than on a case by case basis.

There is such a thing as safe sex or else two people in love being tested in advance.
Apparently policy decisions aren't made on a case by case basis as this would be too time- consuming. It is a decision based on current statistics - when the statistics change so will the policy.
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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #654 on: May 22, 2015, 08:23:15 PM »
Quite possibly - sexually active gay men are barred for 12 months from donating blood regardless of whether they have used a condom or not, as the evidence apparently suggests that condoms are often not used correctly and result in a false sense of security. Policy decisions are based on taking people as they find them rather than idealised scenarios where everything happens the way it is supposed to.

But they are conveniently ignoring the fact that many normal couples indulge in anal penetration, and are thus just as likely to be infected.
They base their policy on statistical risk, which apparently places men engaging in anal penetration with other men as a higher risk group than heterosexuals engaging in anal penetration. When the statistics change or when testing can be done in a few minutes and is sufficiently accurate without requiring a 12 month window, they have stated they will change their policy. They are unable to operate on a case by case basis as that will have a negative impact on availability of blood for transfusions.
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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #655 on: May 22, 2015, 08:25:09 PM »

It does in the sense of accepting responsibilities in relationships, and caring about partners.

Gay people are no different to hetrosexuals in this way.

Well, I know that as well as you do, but Gabriella raised the point of anal penetration, and I was commenting on that.

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #656 on: May 22, 2015, 08:29:24 PM »
Nonsense! The implication was that to exclude gay couples because of the dangers of anal penetration is a tad stupid if you are not going to exclude heteros who indulge in it too.
Presumably the act is statistically less risky in this group.

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #657 on: May 22, 2015, 08:39:24 PM »
Nonsense! The implication was that to exclude gay couples because of the dangers of anal penetration is a tad stupid if you are not going to exclude heteros who indulge in it too.
Presumably the act is statistically less risky in this group.

Probably, but still a danger.

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #658 on: May 22, 2015, 08:41:44 PM »
But not enough to tip the tradeoff off of need-for-safety vs need-for-blood in favour of the former, perhaps.

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #659 on: May 22, 2015, 08:58:27 PM »
But not enough to tip the tradeoff off of need-for-safety vs need-for-blood in favour of the former, perhaps.

That seems to be the attitude.

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #660 on: May 22, 2015, 09:47:11 PM »
It seems certain here view being 'male' gay as only involving anal penetration !?!?!!?

How many straights would 'admit' to this act???? Probably a hell of a lot more than one would think.

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #663 on: May 23, 2015, 06:23:25 AM »
It seems certain here view being 'male' gay as only involving anal penetration !?!?!!?

How many straights would 'admit' to this act???? Probably a hell of a lot more than one would think.

Quite! It's called 'keeping up appearances'.  :)

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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #664 on: May 23, 2015, 09:52:42 AM »
Early reports are that Equal Marriage is a go in Ireland.
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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #666 on: May 23, 2015, 10:16:39 AM »
An Irish fella is telling me 61% yes is showing, he'd better not be fibbing.
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« Reply #667 on: May 23, 2015, 10:26:52 AM »
Dublin showing big yes votes, 78%, 74%, 68%, in various areas (Irish Times).
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« Reply #668 on: May 23, 2015, 10:38:19 AM »
If you google thejournal.ie, and go to liveblog,  they have photos of some of the tally sheets, with big yes votes, and a few no tallies, probably rural areas.
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« Reply #669 on: May 23, 2015, 10:54:11 AM »
You can watch RTE1.
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« Reply #670 on: May 23, 2015, 10:55:56 AM »
No campaigners conceding in some areas, it's a win for yes,  go Ireland!
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« Reply #671 on: May 23, 2015, 11:01:05 AM »
Ireland gets marriage equality and the Eurovision Song Contest all in one day ... I can't stand the excitement  :D
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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #672 on: May 23, 2015, 11:16:08 AM »
Ireland gets marriage equality and the Eurovision Song Contest all in one day ... I can't stand the excitement  :D

Though Ireland itself got knocked out of Eurovision in the semi final

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« Reply #673 on: May 23, 2015, 01:08:29 PM »
Ireland gets marriage equality and the Eurovision Song Contest all in one day ... I can't stand the excitement  :D

The Eurovision Song Contest is in Vienna, just outside Dublin!   :D
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Re: Homosexuality!
« Reply #674 on: May 23, 2015, 04:43:48 PM »
Some results showing that it's not just Dublin voting yes:   Waterford 60%; Wicklow 68%; Meath West 60%; Cork South Central 65%; Galway East 53%.

Well done, Ireland. 
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