Homosexuality!

[Nearly Sane]

Hurrah


http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fintan-o-toole-ireland-has-left-tolerance-far-behind-1.2223838#.VWC5aRAWw6Q.twitter

[Leonard James]

Splendid, splendid, splendid! A win win for the human race. I am so happy! 

[Nearly Sane]

Had something I had to do today, otherwise I was sorely tempted to get across to Dublin today for the party

[Enki]

What an excellent result! One commentator was saying that, although the R.C. Church was strongly against,  it kept a low profile in this referendum. I wonder why?

[Shaker]

One to ponder there for sure, enkles

[Spud]

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And just to prove it we are shown men kissing men and women kissing women on the BBC News,

[Shaker]

Eh?

[Gordon]

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And just to prove it we are shown men kissing men and women kissing women on the BBC News,

Your point is what exactly?

[Leonard James]

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And just to prove it we are shown men kissing men and women kissing women on the BBC News,"

How can anybody have an intelligent exchange with somebody whose mind is so addled by this sort of rubbish? 

[Sebastian Toe]

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And just to prove it we are shown men kissing men and women kissing women on the BBC News,

Prove what?

[floo]

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And just to prove it we are shown men kissing men and women kissing women on the BBC News,

What a bigot you are!

I am glad Ireland has seen sense and the Catholic church has had a good kick in the goolies where this issue is concerned!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And just to prove it we are shown men kissing men and women kissing women on the BBC News,

What a bigot you are!

I am glad Ireland has seen sense and the Catholic church has had a good kick in the goolies where this issue is concerned!

If you'll forgive me Floo I prefer the much more subtle approach and actually funny approach to ''Kicking Bishop Brennan up the Arse'' than your blokish approach.

[jakswan]

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And just to prove it we are shown men kissing men and women kissing women on the BBC News,

Strange you didn't mention eating shellfish or someone wearing mixed fibres on the news. Mind you also never mentioned poeple starving either, what some Christians care about is weird.

[Quizzimodo]

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And just to prove it we are shown men kissing men and women kissing women on the BBC News,

Won't somebody think of the children!!

Oh they have. They helped that they are all now equal and won't be discriminated against

[Sassy]

Lovely letter from Sebatian Barry about today's marriage equality vote in Ireland

http://www.joe.ie/news/pic-writer-sebastian-barry-pens-a-beautiful-letter-to-the-irish-times-about-his-reasons-for-voting-yes/495527

Let us hope that there are enough enlightened Catholics and Christians in Ireland to vote yes.

Let's hope that they become even more enlightened, and cease to be Catholic and Christian.

Isn't bigotry of any type wrong?  It is remarks like yours Shaker which get the backs up of so called Catholics and Christians making them afraid to vote 'yes' because it may allow such bigotry as yours to make their beliefs against laws made by man.
Daniel comes to mind and his three friends in captivity where Daniel is put in Jeopardy because he isn't allowed to pray to his own God for fear of death.

Throughout history men died for what they believed in...
The three friends of Daniel placed in a furnace and he himself in the lions den because people want to control what they believe.

Cease to be Catholic or Christian... that isn't enlightenment.
You need enlightenment that had homosexuals spoke out before and stood up for what they believed as Daniel and his three friends then they might have won this freedom a long time ago.

Let us hope that people see that Christians, Catholics and some other relgiions are probably the only reason that homosexuality has become party of society and people given freedom to live... What we cannot do is make people change their minds about what they believe.

Sometimes 'tolerance' and 'understanding' is preferable than direct bigotry which shows itself in such statements as you have made...

Let's hope that they become even more enlightened, and cease to be Catholic and Christian.

What a wrong statement to make and how much bigotry and prejudice is shown in that one statement and sentence. You call yourself, enlightened... Enlightened to your own prejudices and still in the dark as far as bigotry and prejudice being wrong.

[Sassy]

Lovely letter from Sebatian Barry about today's marriage equality vote in Ireland

http://www.joe.ie/news/pic-writer-sebastian-barry-pens-a-beautiful-letter-to-the-irish-times-about-his-reasons-for-voting-yes/495527

Let us hope that there are enough enlightened Catholics and Christians in Ireland to vote yes.

Let's hope that they become even more enlightened, and cease to be Catholic and Christian.

Wishful thinking never hurt anybody! 

No!but swoping one form of bigotry for another did...
You want Christians and Catholics to accept and allow homosexual marriage and yet you want to get rid of Christianity and Catholicism because you belief their beliefs are wrong...

[wigginhall]

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And just to prove it we are shown men kissing men and women kissing women on the BBC News,

Won't somebody think of the children!!

Oh they have. They helped that they are all now equal and won't be discriminated against

That's a good point, and often made in the US, where thousands of children of gay parents are denied being in a married family.  I think it's an argument that's been voiced in the Supreme Court (US), if you are keen on the benefits of marriage, then extend them.

[Hope]

Won't somebody think of the children!!

Oh they have. They helped that they are all now equal and won't be discriminated against

No, they haven't thought of the children, Quiz.  If one looks at a lot of the family-related legislation that has been passed here in the UK over the last 50 years, it has been the children who have suffered most. 

Abortion:  OK, some will argue that a embryo/foetus/child can't survive by him/herself until they are 24 weeks/39 weeks/perhaps even 2 or 3 years old; but how many adults can realistically survive by themselves - very few if any.  As John Donne so famously said, 'no man is an island, entire of itself'. 

Divorce:  In divorce or separation, a child loses a lot of their natural support systems.  Very often, they end up with only one set of grandparents, uncles and aunts with the other parent's own parents and siblings almost always having no right to see their younger relation. 

Gay marriage/adoption:  As I have previously mentioned, a child's mental and emotional development is most balanced within a family with mixed-gender parents, and even more so when that mix is their own biological parents.

I accept that there are exceptions to all these rules, but exceptions shouldn't set the standard.  I also accept that there are a number of additional issues which also have an impact on a child's development, with 'love and concern' being an important one.

I also accept that there are 'natural' forms of the first two - abortion and divorce.  However, society's response to such natural forms is very different to that towards the 'manmade' versions, and often the underlying causes of the natural forms are very different to the latter.  Comparing the two is therefore generally unrealistic, though convenient.  For instance, how often does a natural abortion or miscarriage result from a perfectly normal foetus?  Rarely.  It is usually nature recognising that the foetus is unviable.  In the case of the death of a parent, the child(ren) usually continue to enjoy some contact with their grandparennts, uncles and aunts on that side.  Futhermore, the surviving parent often becomes eligible to receive their spouse's pension, etc. 

Finally, I would suggest that all the legislation that I have mentioned puts the adults' needs  before those of any children they might already have or have in the future - especially in the case of gay marriage/adoption.

[Hope]

... if you are keen on the benefits of marriage, then extend them.

With the greatest benefits requiring male and female input throughout a child's life, how does gay marriage help?

[Quizzimodo]

Lovely letter from Sebatian Barry about today's marriage equality vote in Ireland

http://www.joe.ie/news/pic-writer-sebastian-barry-pens-a-beautiful-letter-to-the-irish-times-about-his-reasons-for-voting-yes/495527

Let us hope that there are enough enlightened Catholics and Christians in Ireland to vote yes.

Let's hope that they become even more enlightened, and cease to be Catholic and Christian.

Isn't bigotry of any type wrong?  It is remarks like yours Shaker which get the backs up of so called Catholics and Christians making them afraid to vote 'yes' because it may allow such bigotmry as yours to make their beliefs against laws made by man.
Daniel comes to mind and his three friends in captivity where Daniel is put in Jeopardy because he isn't allowed to pray to his own God for fear of death.

Throughout history men died for what they believed in...
The three friends of Daniel placed in a furnace and he himself in the lions den because people want to control what they believe.

Cease to be Catholic or Christian... that isn't enlightenment.
You need enlightenment that had homosexuals spoke out before and stood up for what they believed as Daniel and his three friends then they might have won this freedom a long time ago.

Let us hope that people see that Christians, Catholics and some other relgiions are probably the only reason that homosexuality has become party of society and people given freedom to live... What we cannot do is make people change their minds about what they believe.

Sometimes 'tolerance' and 'understanding' is preferable than direct bigotry which shows itself in such statements as you have made...

Let's hope that they become even more enlightened, and cease to be Catholic and Christian.

What a wrong statement to make and how much bigotry and prejudice is shown in that one statement and sentence. You call yourself, enlightened... Enlightened to your own prejudices and still in the dark as far as bigotry and prejudice being wrong.

A long post that seems to totally miss the point.

When you say "vote yes" I think you mean vote no

"Had homosexuals spoke out [sic] before they may have got the freedom before"
Eh? Have you not heard of the gay rights movement?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Lovely letter from Sebatian Barry about today's marriage equality vote in Ireland

http://www.joe.ie/news/pic-writer-sebastian-barry-pens-a-beautiful-letter-to-the-irish-times-about-his-reasons-for-voting-yes/495527

Let us hope that there are enough enlightened Catholics and Christians in Ireland to vote yes.

Let's hope that they become even more enlightened, and cease to be Catholic and Christian.

Isn't bigotry of any type wrong?  It is remarks like yours Shaker which get the backs up of so called Catholics and Christians making them afraid to vote 'yes' because it may allow such bigotmry as yours to make their beliefs against laws made by man.
Daniel comes to mind and his three friends in captivity where Daniel is put in Jeopardy because he isn't allowed to pray to his own God for fear of death.

Throughout history men died for what they believed in...
The three friends of Daniel placed in a furnace and he himself in the lions den because people want to control what they believe.

Cease to be Catholic or Christian... that isn't enlightenment.
You need enlightenment that had homosexuals spoke out before and stood up for what they believed as Daniel and his three friends then they might have won this freedom a long time ago.

Let us hope that people see that Christians, Catholics and some other relgiions are probably the only reason that homosexuality has become party of society and people given freedom to live... What we cannot do is make people change their minds about what they believe.

Sometimes 'tolerance' and 'understanding' is preferable than direct bigotry which shows itself in such statements as you have made...

Let's hope that they become even more enlightened, and cease to be Catholic and Christian.

What a wrong statement to make and how much bigotry and prejudice is shown in that one statement and sentence. You call yourself, enlightened... Enlightened to your own prejudices and still in the dark as far as bigotry and prejudice being wrong.

A long post that seems to totally miss the point.

When you say "vote yes" I think you mean vote no

"Had homosexuals spoke out [sic] before they may have got the freedom before"
Eh? Have you not heard of the gay rights movement?

I thought Gay culture was marked until quite recently by an emphasis on polygamy rather than monogamy.

[Quizzimodo]

Lovely letter from Sebatian Barry about today's marriage equality vote in Ireland

http://www.joe.ie/news/pic-writer-sebastian-barry-pens-a-beautiful-letter-to-the-irish-times-about-his-reasons-for-voting-yes/495527

Let us hope that there are enough enlightened Catholics and Christians in Ireland to vote yes.

Let's hope that they become even more enlightened, and cease to be Catholic and Christian.

Isn't bigotry of any type wrong?  It is remarks like yours Shaker which get the backs up of so called Catholics and Christians making them afraid to vote 'yes' because it may allow such bigotmry as yours to make their beliefs against laws made by man.
Daniel comes to mind and his three friends in captivity where Daniel is put in Jeopardy because he isn't allowed to pray to his own God for fear of death.

Throughout history men died for what they believed in...
The three friends of Daniel placed in a furnace and he himself in the lions den because people want to control what they believe.

Cease to be Catholic or Christian... that isn't enlightenment.
You need enlightenment that had homosexuals spoke out before and stood up for what they believed as Daniel and his three friends then they might have won this freedom a long time ago.

Let us hope that people see that Christians, Catholics and some other relgiions are probably the only reason that homosexuality has become party of society and people given freedom to live... What we cannot do is make people change their minds about what they believe.

Sometimes 'tolerance' and 'understanding' is preferable than direct bigotry which shows itself in such statements as you have made...

Let's hope that they become even more enlightened, and cease to be Catholic and Christian.

What a wrong statement to make and how much bigotry and prejudice is shown in that one statement and sentence. You call yourself, enlightened... Enlightened to your own prejudices and still in the dark as far as bigotry and prejudice being wrong.

A long post that seems to totally miss the point.

When you say "vote yes" I think you mean vote no

"Had homosexuals spoke out [sic] before they may have got the freedom before"
Eh? Have you not heard of the gay rights movement?

I thought Gay culture was marked until quite recently by an emphasis on polygamy rather than monogamy.

What makes you say that?

Is it perhaps anti-gay propaganda that has tried to portray them as promiscuous ?

[wigginhall]

... if you are keen on the benefits of marriage, then extend them.

With the greatest benefits requiring male and female input throughout a child's life, how does gay marriage help?

Well, you carefully sliced off the part of my post which explained that.  Quote-mining is alive and well.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Lovely letter from Sebatian Barry about today's marriage equality vote in Ireland

http://www.joe.ie/news/pic-writer-sebastian-barry-pens-a-beautiful-letter-to-the-irish-times-about-his-reasons-for-voting-yes/495527

Let us hope that there are enough enlightened Catholics and Christians in Ireland to vote yes.

Let's hope that they become even more enlightened, and cease to be Catholic and Christian.

Isn't bigotry of any type wrong?  It is remarks like yours Shaker which get the backs up of so called Catholics and Christians making them afraid to vote 'yes' because it may allow such bigotmry as yours to make their beliefs against laws made by man.
Daniel comes to mind and his three friends in captivity where Daniel is put in Jeopardy because he isn't allowed to pray to his own God for fear of death.

Throughout history men died for what they believed in...
The three friends of Daniel placed in a furnace and he himself in the lions den because people want to control what they believe.

Cease to be Catholic or Christian... that isn't enlightenment.
You need enlightenment that had homosexuals spoke out before and stood up for what they believed as Daniel and his three friends then they might have won this freedom a long time ago.

Let us hope that people see that Christians, Catholics and some other relgiions are probably the only reason that homosexuality has become party of society and people given freedom to live... What we cannot do is make people change their minds about what they believe.

Sometimes 'tolerance' and 'understanding' is preferable than direct bigotry which shows itself in such statements as you have made...

Let's hope that they become even more enlightened, and cease to be Catholic and Christian.

What a wrong statement to make and how much bigotry and prejudice is shown in that one statement and sentence. You call yourself, enlightened... Enlightened to your own prejudices and still in the dark as far as bigotry and prejudice being wrong.

A long post that seems to totally miss the point.

When you say "vote yes" I think you mean vote no

"Had homosexuals spoke out [sic] before they may have got the freedom before"
Eh? Have you not heard of the gay rights movement?

I thought Gay culture was marked until quite recently by an emphasis on polygamy rather than monogamy.

What makes you say that?

Is it perhaps anti-gay propaganda that has tried to portray them as promiscuous ?

Maybe but then what was wrong with promiscuity? and are you not just trying to revise history?
When did the campaign for same sex marriage officially start?

[Sassy]

Brilliant story - YES

http://entertainment.ie/life/Irish-guy-live-tweets-his-race-to-make-it-home-from-Edinburgh-after-finding-out-hes-registered-to-vote/365321.htm

http://entertainment.ie/life/Heres-what-to-say-if-someone-tells-you-theyre-voting-No-because-of-the-Bible/363876.htm?recommendstory=true

I think we are getting a tad away from the truth.
Marriage in the eyes of God is only a man and a woman.
Whatever happens in the world, in the eyes of God two men or two women will never be married in the eyes of God in any sense of the word.

I am not sure why any believer feels the need to vote or stop anything the world is doing.
I was reading "what would Christ vote for" etc. But in truth Christ made it clear about himself, the kingdom and the World.

King James Bible
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Everyone is so busy fitting Christ and God into this world they forget that the Kingdom of God is not of this world. What happens here does not affect the people in Gods Kingdom for their true lives are hidden with Christ till he comes again.

What happens in this world is really all leading up to the final days...

King James Bible
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The truth is Christ would obey his Father, God. And the believer does not require to vote for the world cannot affect Gods Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is about truth and life.
It is trying to save people not condemn them. The Christian would not vote for something that changes Gods laws or will kill others not of the Kingdom. But that is too simple and too true for some to understand. That some Christians do things to save men from themselves.

Jesus did not want anyone to perish and neither does God.
Jesus healed all who asked and when feeding thousands there were none who were not fed.
It might be hard to understand for some. But Christians vote against such things when they are trying to save people not because of bigotry. But some abstain too for the same reasons.

The Kingdom of God is not of this world... They would never in all conscience sign a certain death warrant for some....

Sometimes it is love of God, Jesus and others which stops the believer voting or voting against something which would harm another....